Angels trade for Andrelton Simmons - Aybar, Newcomb, Ellis & $2.5mm to Braves $*#&

[Erstad Grit]

I haven't bothered to look, so someone please help... Who were we expecting to be able to play SS after this year? More Aybar? I don't think Baldoquin is quite ready.

Saying we had no glaring need at SS seems shortsighted, only thinking of this year. I don't like losing Newcomb, but I like having SS locked down with a tangible commodity.

featherbat?

[Ordos]

featherbat?

Are we considering him the alternative known commodity? I'd rather have Simmons.

[Season Over]

The Angels now have elite defenders at the two most important positions and they're signed through 2020 at below market value.

Take a chill pill, dudes.

[Second Base]

That trade was like taking the last two dollars from a man dying of thirst and using it to buy him a jacket. 

 

That trade was like watching the Titanic sink and throwing potential survivors a rubber ducky. 

 

Long story short, we need offense and our offense just got worse.  But on the bright side, our pitching staff will likely improve and we just got ourselves some free press at the end of each year when Simmons wins the Gold Glove Award. 

[arch stanton]

I thought this showed good foresight. It prevents having to either lose Aybar for nothing or sweat having to make a QO.

The team is now younger, more athletic and better defensively and cost controlled at a premium position for 5 more years. That Simmons will continue to be an elite defender with room to grow offensively is much more certain than the potential that Newcomb possesses.

[Jobu]

We gave up one year of Aybar, one prospect in the top 25, and another on the fringe of the top 100, for five years of one of the better shortstops in the game at a reasonable contract. A guy who a couple years ago was worth 7.0 WAR.

Whether you like the trade or not, I struggle to see how we over-paid.

"A guy who a couple years ago was worth 7.0 WAR" is basically everything wrong with this team.

[bloodbrother]

David O'Brien Verified account ‏@DOBrienAJC

#Braves Coppolella said in 2 hrs since the trade was finalize, he's gotten 3 calls from teams wanting to trade for Aybar.

 

Braves gonna maximize on their return. Already netted what is now their #1 prospect in their system, and will now probably spin Aybar in another deal most likely.

Edited November 13, 2015 by bloodbrother

[ukyah]

"A guy who a couple years ago was worth 7.0 WAR" is basically everything wrong with this team.

 

 

unless i'm reading this wrong, this comment really doesn't apply. i think you're talking about our over the hill did it all on another team glory days players, which simmons is not even remotely a part of. this kids best years are ahead of him. that's the kind of players we should be acquiring. yes, it was at great cost. did it make the team better right now? i don't know, but i know he's the best player in the trade for the forseeable future.

[ukyah]

David O'Brien Verified account ‏@DOBrienAJC

#Braves Coppolella said in 2 hrs since the trade was finalize, he's gotten 3 calls from teams wanting to trade for Aybar.

 

Braves gonna maximize on their return. Already netted what is now their #1 prospect in their system, and will now probably spin Aybar in another deal most likely.

 

 

what else would they be doing? i don't think anybody expects aybar to stay with the braves. 

[nate]

Scioscia will obviously have Simmons hitting leadoff for the entire season.

You shut your whore mouth

[Stradling]

That trade was like taking the last two dollars from a man dying of thirst and using it to buy him a jacket.

That trade was like watching the Titanic sink and throwing potential survivors a rubber ducky.

Long story short, we need offense and our offense just got worse. But on the bright side, our pitching staff will likely improve and we just got ourselves some free press at the end of each year when Simmons wins the Gold Glove Award.

But did the offense really get worse? I doubt it. Aybar is starting to regress and Simmons is entering his prime.

[tdawg87]

That trade was like taking the last two dollars from a man dying of thirst and using it to buy him a jacket.

That trade was like watching the Titanic sink and throwing potential survivors a rubber ducky.

Long story short, we need offense and our offense just got worse. But on the bright side, our pitching staff will likely improve and we just got ourselves some free press at the end of each year when Simmons wins the Gold Glove Award.

Aybar had an 81 OPS+ in 2015. Not sure how the offense "got worse". At worst, it's about the same going forward.

[wopphil]

Also, where can one buy a jacket for $2?

[VariousCrap]

That trade was like taking the last two dollars from a man dying of thirst and using it to buy him a jacket. 

 

That trade was like watching the Titanic sink and throwing potential survivors a rubber ducky. 

 

Long story short, we need offense and our offense just got worse.  But on the bright side, our pitching staff will likely improve and we just got ourselves some free press at the end of each year when Simmons wins the Gold Glove Award. 

 

 

 

At worse, the offense is exactly the same.  The difference is Aybar is declining at the plate and Simmons has upside at the plate.  This is a guy who hit 17 home runs one year.  Aybar never had that.

 

I think by the time this off-season is over and all the moves are made, we will be very happy.

Edited November 13, 2015 by VariousCrap

[Blarg]

what else would they be doing? i don't think anybody expects aybar to stay with the braves. 

[Angelfaninidaho]

I think I've calmed down as well and I look forward to watching him play..  My only question, which really doesn't matter now anyway, is what would this exact same package (Aybar, Newcomb and Ellis + cash) have drawn for a LF or a catcher. Any names?

[Puget Sound Angel]

Give up two of our best pitching prospects from an already barren farm system?

[ELEVEN]

Scioscia will obviously have Simmons hitting leadoff for the entire season.

Over Featherston? I think not.

[Angel Oracle]

we need to somehow combine threads so that we can all feel better

So in a year, atlanta traded us the left side of their infield for our best pitching prospects?

To be truthful though, Ricardo Sanchez reeked this year in the Braves system. He's still real young, but that was a big step backwards.

[Angel Oracle]

Ryan and Mathisn't never remotely hit close to .265, Simmons' BA in 2015.

They never remotely approached his .321 OBP either, which if memory serves me would have been the THIRD best OBP for the Halos in 2015.

Edited November 13, 2015 by Angel Oracle

[ukyah]

 

what else would they be doing? i don't think anybody expects aybar to stay with the braves. 

 

 

 

that would be ****ing hilarious.

[juansavage1]

Aybar was pretty great defensively. How much better can somebody be? 

[ettin]

and he does have some pop. 17 bombs and 27 doubles a couple seasons ago. 

 

.299/.352/.397 career hitter in the minors. 

 

We should be really careful talking about that 17 HR season which was an outlier. He's more of a single digits HR type.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/spraycharts.aspx?playerid=10847&position=SS&type=battedball&pid2=10847&ss1=2013&se1=2013&ss2=2013&se2=2013&cht1=hittype&cht2=battedball&vs1=ALL&vs2=ALL

[laagamer]

I checked Newcomb's numbers.

He was at 6 BB/9 consistently.

Maybe he just ain't that ****in' good and we knew it.

[101halo]

Aybar was pretty great defensively. How much better can somebody be?

It's over 8 min long but worth it. Might change the opinion on how valuable defense CAN be after watching it. Still don't like the cost, but dude is AMAZING defensively.

We all loved to rail on the "omg how can MVP voters ignore defense of Trout vs Cabrera" until suddenly we've forgotten how valuable it can be because we didn't want to give up Nuke.