Bourjos traded to Cardinals

[Mudville]

Weren't at least two of Bourjos's insuries last year from getting hit by pitches???  It is not like it was his fault.

No, he blew out his hamstring then after he returned he had his hand broken and it never completely healed properly. It was the same lingering problem that took him back out of the lineup not a re-fracture.

[rangersfan#1]

think some people in here need to step away from the keyboard for a while. you guys are starting to sound a lot like Cowboys fans!

[Mudville]

 

Not really sure why everyone is whining?

Habit.

[AngelsLakersFan]

I do find it amusing how somehow Bourjos being injury prone is much more concerning than Freese being injury prone...for reasons.

 

It's concerning. I've never been concerned with Bourjos ability to stay on the field but Freeze has legitimate concerns. 

[tennischmp]

http://www.angelswin.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=47083&start=101

 

here take you mind off this trade

Edited November 22, 2013 by tennischmp

[Lifetime]

NAME ONE TIME I SAID 3B WAS OUR PRIORITY THIS SEASON?

 

What I said was we upgraded a spot and dealt a player who most likely wouldn't have a spot in the starting lineup with Calhoun around.

 NO CHUCK, YOU SAID WE WOULD HAVE BEEN GOING INTO THE SEASON WITHOUT A 3B WHICH IS PATENTLY FALSE!

 

We traded low to marginally upgrade a spot that wasn't a priority. We did not get the value end of this deal. 

[Chuck]

Hi Mrs. Richter.

 

lol...

 

Negative. I have no idea who this guy/girl is.

 

But thanks for defending me, though I didn't need it. I stand by liking the Bourjos/Freese swap, though the Grichuk/Salas exchange is a headscratcher. Unless of course our scouts saw something in him.

[VariousCrap]

I would have liked to see the Angels get a better arm in return with Freese, but hopefully Salas can regain some of his 2011 form.

[AngelsLakersFan]

You know this trade sucks when I'm on LT's side.

 

It takes extreme times man.... extreme times...

[Chuck]

http://www.angelswin.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=47083&start=101

 

here take you mind off this trade

 

Awesome find!

[AngelsLakersFan]

http://www.angelswin.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=47083&start=101

 

here take you mind off this trade

 

You're a sick person. lol

[Lifetime]

Except for the fact that he was perpetually injured.

not a fact

[VariousCrap]

No, he blew out his hamstring then after he returned he had his hand broken and it never completely healed properly. It was the same lingering problem that took him back out of the lineup not a re-fracture.

 

 

No...he was hit twice.

[HaloNation]

he was the WS MVP in 2011 he can't be that bad

[jshep]

http://www.angelswin.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=47083&start=101

 

here take you mind off this trade

 

So Doc,that's when I became an alcoholic....

[HaloCory22]

http://www.angelswin.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=47083&start=101

 

here take you mind off this trade

Page 4 is epic.

[Amazing Larry]

Can Arte let Dipoto borrow his mirror so Jerry can have a deep, long look into it?

[AngelsFaninGA]

he was the WS MVP in 2011 he can't be that bad

 

And I beleive Brad Penny started the All-Star game that year, so yeah. 

 

Speaking of Brad Penny, he'll probably be our next acquisition. 

[ettin]

I have a question for all those who are opposed to this deal: Can I find a post from you talking about playing Trout in CF instead of Bourjos? Remember the whole controversy about displacing Trout from CF, his preferred position? If you think/thought Trout should go back to CF, most of your rage on this deal is deflated because the best part of Bourjos' value was tied to his defense in CF. If he's not in CF, then his value is diminished. 

 

I am a big fan of both Peter Bourjos and Grichuk. Really like both guys, and have known them since they first came into our system. I had a sneaky suspicion that Grichuk would be included in this deal. On a personal note, I will be sad to see them playing elsewhere, although I am happy that they are going to a good organization.

 

However, I am a bigger fan of the ANGELS. I want to see the Angels win over any one player.

 

I will hold off on evaluating this trade until I see all the moves that Dipoto makes. As Chuck has argued, this move frees up a potential Aybar/Kendrick/Trumbo move to get pitching. I hope Freese bounces back, but also see him as a placeholder until Cowart develops.

 

Unlike some, I am not going to go into a fullblown panic over the move until I see the whole picture. I see this as the first step in a sequence of moves. Give it some time and have patience.

 

Hi Dave,

 

This is not about a Trout vs. Bourjos playing CF argument. As I postulated to Chuck in an earlier post, there is no reason to not move Trumbo, the more desired piece in the current trade marketplace, and play an OF of Trout (LF), Bourjos (CF), and Hamilton/Calhoun (RF/DH). Thus Peter's value is maintained and he is given an opportunity to increase his value in 2014 and show what I think you would agree is a decent offensive player with gold glove aspirations and capability.

 

Those arguments about Trout in LF were originally based on the false belief that Trout's offensive performance suffered because he wasn't playing CF and nothing more.

 

Being a fan of the Angels has nothing to do with evaluating this trade. Yes we need to see how it turns out over the long run to fully evaluate it, but you can look at the surface of the trade and make determinations as well.

 

Aybar, Kendrick, and Trumbo were all free to be traded. Bourjos had nothing to do with whether or not middle infielders were moved. If the organization decided Trumob was more important than Peter then there is nothing I can do about that, but I do disagree with it.

 

Based on injury research players with back issues are more likely to see their performance suffer and Freese has a back issue. Giving up a year of control (for Freese) and age is questionable in my opinion.

 

Finally I, for one, am not in full-blown panic. There are other moves that have to be made. Maybe the other moves will improve the team enough that this trade will be overlooked. Maybe we will get lucky and see an improved Freese.

 

Beyond that though I am going on the record stating that we did not extract good value for Bourjos and that is an opinion from a die-hard Angels fan.

 

[AngelsFaninGA]

So to recap, this trade sucks. 

[Docwaukee]

this trade has Arte's fingerprints all over it. 

 

I just don't see the value in doing this.  Maybe a very slight immediate upgrade at 3b contingent on Freese rebounding. 

 

kinda reminds me of the Walden/Hansen move. 

 

Personally, if the team felt like they had to move Bourjos because he was gonna sit on the bench, I'd have rather a package of him and Grichuk to get a couple of pitching prospects or even a high end reliever.  Or trade Trumbo and play Pete in the hopes his value goes back up or provides what he should. 

 

It's not THAT big of a deal, just not the direction I'd hoped they'd go.  It's clear that they are setting the team up for 2014/15 with little regard beyond that.  

[floplag]

no flop, it isn't a priority. We have a defensive option there that isn't a great offensive option. But offense isn't our big need on this team so replacing that defensive specialist 3B with a mediocre 3B with better offense isn't a priority move. 

 

Oh, and I don't think anyone here is claiming Bourjos would have netted us a real valuable SP.

 

uh huh you realized you just outlined why this wasnt a bad deal. right?

and what did we lose here that affects possible tades for a SP? Grichuck might have been a nice throw in but the center peice of any deal for a SP wil be Kendrick or Trumbo so.. again, one deal into the off season and everyone is losign their friggin minds thingking off season over when we are better today than yeesterday.

[Lifetime]

this trade has arte's fingerprints all over it?

[DMVol]

You know this trade sucks when I'm on LT's side.....

Everybody not named Chuck Richter and Jerry DiPoto thinks it's a bad trade....

[Lifetime]

uh huh you realized you just outlined why this wasnt a bad deal. right?

and what did we lose here that affects possible tades for a SP? Grichuck might have been a nice throw in but the center peice of any deal for a SP wil be Kendrick or Trumbo so.. again, one deal into the off season and everyone is losign their friggin minds thingking off season over when we are better today than yeesterday.

LOL! no I didn't.