Free agents reject qualifying offers

[gotbeer]

Free agents reject qualifying offers

 

A few of these guys may be waiting for a while before getting signed.  Especially Napoli.  Losing a pick to a DH, that might not even be fully healthy, doesn't seem to be a recipe for lot's of offers.

 

[Angel Oracle]

And we may actually make a QO to someone.....by 2030.

Does Arte Moreno even know that it can benefit the Halos to do so?

[DMVol]

It happens...Lohse last year comes to mind...but, more often than not, somebody jumps in and forfeits the draft pick, usually overpaying for the privilege....I don't see the Halos going after any of those guys....

Edited November 12, 2013 by DMVol

[gotbeer]

I'm wondering if the Pirates become this years Indians.  They are right in contention.  They have payroll space.  They have a farm system, so losing a year won't be too detrimental.  

 

A few strategic signings for people that can't get signed, losing a few picks this year, and they could be a force next season.  Like a Lohse, Bourne, Swisher last season for the Tribe.

[Blarg]

And we may actually make a QO to someone.....by 2030.

Does Arte Moreno even know that it can benefit the Halos to do so?

AO, how long has the QO clause been in effect?

[YouthofToday]

The Pirates didn't extend a QO to Burnett as it was not in their budget. Don't expect them to spend $$.

Napoli should have accepted the QO. Same thing with Kendrys.

[ettin]

The Pirates didn't extend a QO to Burnett as it was not in their budget. Don't expect them to spend $$.

Napoli should have accepted the QO. Same thing with Kendrys.

 

And this is the same reason that the Angels didn't offer Vargas a QO.... budget. $14 million for a QO would put them right up against the luxury tax. Also to be honest I think Vargas gets no more that $11 million per year in free agency.

 

I know some of you will argue that it is okay to overpay for one year to get the compensatory pick but the chances that Vargas would accept the QO were high in my opinion and thus we would not get the pick.

[Troll Daddy]

The Pirates didn't extend a QO to Burnett as it was not in their budget. Don't expect them to spend $$.

Napoli should have accepted the QO. Same thing with Kendrys.

Napoli and Kendrys are in a win win situation. They may not get a contract they hope for but won't get less than what they were offered.

[Amazing Larry]

Napoli and Kendrys are in a win win situation. They may not get a contract they hope for but won't get less than what they were offered.

I would think that Napoli is looking for more of a guaranteed type of contract than an incentive-based one.

[Troll Daddy]

I would think that Napoli is looking for more of a guaranteed type of contract than an incentive-based one.

You would be correct. Napoli is also a first baseman and not a DH.

I'm thinking he'll sign with Boston who already offered him a guaranteed contract.

[gotbeer]

You would be correct. Napoli is also a first baseman and not a DH.

I'm thinking he'll sign with Boston who already offered him a guaranteed contract.

 

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2013/11/11/5092040/state-of-play-american-league-first-baseman-mike-napoli-kendrys-morales

 

Found this writeup on DH/1B's.  It'll be interesting to see how the Morales/Napoli FA'cy works out.  

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

If the Red Sox weren't interested in re-signing Napoli, he might be waiting a while to sign with another team, but I think the Red Sox, will re-sign him fairly quickly. 

[wopphil]

I truly don't understand why this system exists.  It makes no sense whatsoever, and serves only to punish teams for signing free agents and players for rejecting a qualifying offer.  Who benefits from this system?  Why not just give the team that loses the player a compensatory, sandwich pick, without making the signing team forfeit a pick. 

 

Makes zero sense. 

[Angel Oracle]

AO, how long has the QO clause been in effect?

QO, arb, whatever, we haven't offered it much, if at all, since Moreno purchased the team.

[Troll Daddy]

I truly don't understand why this system exists.  It makes no sense whatsoever, and serves only to punish teams for signing free agents and players for rejecting a qualifying offer.  Who benefits from this system?  Why not just give the team that loses the player a compensatory, sandwich pick, without making the signing team forfeit a pick. 

 

Makes zero sense. 

 

It does allow the teams with protected draft picks a little more leverage. Unfortunately most of those teams can't afford free agents.

[ELEVEN]

Because escalation payments in future years usually work out so well...

[CardsFanVegas]

Would love to be in a position where I could say 'no thanks' to 14 mil.  

 

Angels should have made a QO to Vargas.   These guys all want multi-year deals.  

[Angel Oracle]

Arte Moreno has something against arb/QO's, and it's cost us a significant number of draft picks. 

What does he have against trying to get a draft pick by offering an in house FA arb or QO?

[gotbeer]

With Granderson out, Yankees focus on Choo, Beltran

 

 

By extending the qualifying offer, the Yankees will receive a first-round draft choice when Granderson signs elsewhere, just as they did with Nick Swisher and Rafael Soriano.

 

 

Here you go AO.  A team that plays the QO game.

[Angel Oracle]

At least someone does!

[Stradling]

All this means a total of nothing when the Angels and Vargas reach a deal on a two year plus a team option for a third year contract in the next couple of weeks. I'm guessing it will be two years at $22 Million with the third year at $12 Million and a buy out of about $3 million, so essentially 2 years and $25 Million.

[tdawg87]

I wouldn't offer Vargas more than 2/20. 10 million a year for him is pushing it as it is. Or better yet, offer him a 2 year deal with incentives and a team option for a 3rd year. 2/18 + 2 million for 200 IP.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

Angels should have made a QO to Vargas.   These guys all want multi-year deals.  

 

One reason I can think of why they may not have is the hope that they can get a multi-year deal done for less per year than the QO would have been.