Phil Hughes anyone?

[Agalloch]

I haven't heard much discussion about him and he's a guy I would definitely take a flyer on. Everyone's saying how a change of scenery could be good for him so why not move him to one of the most pitcher friendly ballparks in the MLB? He said he's willing to convert into a reliever so at the very least we could sign him for the pen and move him to the rotation if any of our guys gets injured. He won't cost a draft pick or be too expensive. Thoughts?

Edited October 21, 2013 by Agalloch

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

No thanks. He looks like Hanson 2.0. 

[arch stanton]

He gives up a ton of hits but if he's cheap he might be worth a shot.

[Erstad Grit]

No I like good pitchers. 

[VariousCrap]

He is a last resort only.

[Brent Maguire]

I'd like to see him in a bullpen role. He had some really good success a few years back in the Yanks pen. 

 

I think some team offers him a 2/20 type deal to be a starter though. 

[tennischmp]

We have a #5 starter in Richards. If they pick him up cheap for depth sure but not if they want him to be a 5th starter.

[YouthofToday]

We are going to have to take chances with talents like Hughes unless the owner is willing to pay the luxury tax.

[VariousCrap]

I think Arte is going to have to accept the luxury tax if he wants to compete in 2014. Plain and simple.

[Spencer]

Some friends of mine went to high school with him (Foothill), and have said he's a DICK.

Oh, not to mention he's pretty unsuccessful at pitching.

No, gracias.

[Agalloch]

We are going to have to take chances with talents like Hughes unless the owner is willing to pay the luxury tax.

Exactly why I'd look to take him, he's cheap and who knows if Arte is willing to go over.

 

I think Arte is going to have to accept the luxury tax if he wants to compete in 2014. Plain and simple.

I agree, but is he? That's the question.

[saangels]

I would definitely take a flyer on him for all the reasons you mentioned, agalloch.  He's still young (only 27) and has a live arm; he's versatile, in that he can start or come out of the bullpen; and he wouldn't cost us a draft pick.  He's local, too.  

 

His record at Yankee Stadium last year was 1-10; his ERA over 6.  

 

On the road his record was 3-4; ERA 3.88.

 

What do we have to lose?    

[Hoops McCann]

Better option than Hughes would be Arroyo.  Hughes looked to have the talent but never put it together.  Gives up a ton of hits/BB and his WHIP is frigtening.  I think there may be better options out there than Hughes.  The Yankees are equally as desperate for pitching and they dont even want him anymore.

[YouthofToday]

Arroyo? No thanks.

I don't care if Hughes is the friendliest of people as long as he produces and doesn't cause clubhouse issues.

[VariousCrap]

Exactly why I'd look to take him, he's cheap and who knows if Arte is willing to go over.

 

I agree, but is he? That's the question.

 

 

 

That is the question.  If the Angels don't get Tanaka and Arte refuses to go over the Luxury Tax, I can see the Angels signing Hughes to be the teams #3.

 

If that happens, we have to hope his numbers will be a lot better at the Big A than they were in Yankee stadium.

[VariousCrap]

His record at Yankee Stadium last year was 1-10; his ERA over 6.  

 

On the road his record was 3-4; ERA 3.88.

 

What do we have to lose?    

 

 

 

This is what makes him interesting for the Angels.  If for some reason the Angels can't resign Vargas, Hughes would be a decent #4 for the the rotation, but if the Angels sign Vargas, you have to try to get someone better for the #3 spot.

Edited October 21, 2013 by Jim B

[gotbeer]

I think it's way too early to pursue him for a spot.  

 

But he should be on the list of the contingency plans.  Way down the list though.

[tdawg87]

In 2012 he was actually worse away from Yankees Stadium. The idea that he would pitch better in a pitchers park is not misguided, but I think a little overstated. We all thought Wilson would be better than he was in Texas but he's been worse. We also thought Blanton and Hanson could be serviceable in this park but they weren't.

 

If the Angels have absolutely no other options available, and he comes cheap then I have no problem with it.

[AngelsFaninGA]

I would actually consider Arroyo. He has a habit of getting lit up every once in a while for 6+ runs but other than that he pitches pretty well, eats innings, and doesn't walk guys. Looking at his game log from this past year, in his starts from June onward, he gave up 6+ runs 4 times, and in the other 17 starts he gave up 3 runs or fewer. I can definitely live with that from a #5 starter.

[VariousCrap]

Again, the Angels need to get younger, not older.  No to Arroyo.

[gotbeer]

Again, the Angels need to get younger, not older.  No to Arroyo.

 

Average Age of the Angels.  27.8 years old.  Ranked 9th in the MLB.  Youngest team 26.0 years old, and I don't want to become the Houston Astros.  

[VariousCrap]

Arroyo is too old.  We don't need a Kevin Appier Part II pitcher.

[Make Angels Great Again]

Conger for Joba

 

 

Seriously.

[ten ocho recon scout]

Again, the Angels need to get younger, not older. No to Arroyo.

They need to get better however it may be.

Sure, we'd all prefer a young power arm, but there's none really available. We picked a great time to need pitching.

I (like you) wouldn't be ecstatic to get an arroyo, but if he wasn't too expensive, and an upgrade to what we currently have, it would be far better than not getting him.

[gotbeer]

Stat Wise for Hughes.

 

2013 1.46 WHIP, 5.19 ERA

Career 1.32 WHIP, 4.54 ERA

 

IMO, if you get Hughes, it's to replace Vargas.

 

2013 1.39 WHIP, 4.02 ERA

Career 1.32 WHIP, 4.30 ERA

 

It looks closer, but in 2013 Hughes had 29 starts, and only 145.2 IP.  That's an average of about 5 IP per start.  Also Hughes makes Santana proud in the good/bad years.  

 

IMO, Hughes is like a last resort.