The Official Los Angeles Lakers Thread

[tennischmp]

3 hours ago, Brandon said:

i don't trust white nab players and i don't trust nab players with devastating knee injuries.

i'd rather grab george when he's free, or the lakers are going to have leverage because the pacers know george is leaving....grab what you can for him.

Yea I don't get the calls to trade for PG. I even heard trading current #2. Why? It's not like him and whoever isn't traded will suddenly be good enough to challenge for the chip. Just get all you can out of the top picks and pick PG up in free agency. Not like the Pacers going to get good enough for him to want to stay. 

[Brandon]

4 hours ago, eaterfan said:

Paul George and Gordon Heyward are both left off the All-NBA team. That means their current teams call only offer them a little more money than the Lakers instead of a ton more money.

not true for george. he becomes a fa next summer. if he gets all-nba team next season the same clause kicks in.

hard to turn down being the highest paid player in sports. something like 200m over 5 yrs.

[m0nkey]

Yup.  So, in theory, George could get traded to another team, make an All-NBA team, and sign the big extension  with  his new team.  

 

Though can Paul George really lead a team to a championship?

[Angel Oracle]

Depends on how long the Cavs and Warriors have a stranglehold on the NBA.

[AngelsLongBall]

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/lakers-draft-apos-aaron-fox-044915544.html

Interesting take.  As an outside observer, it definitely seemed as if Fox is an elite defender with length.  The high floor comparison for Ball is scary though. 

[HaloNArizona]

On 5/17/2017 at 5:53 PM, Angel Oracle said:

Bell was a boarding monster in the NCAAT.   But can Russell handle the 2 spot?   Wouldn't Russell/Ball be a little slower backcourt than the average one in the NBA?

Didnt the move Russell to the 2 guard near the end of the season?

 

[Angel Oracle]

Fox has the athleticism to be that same great defender in the NBA.   Is his offensive game enough though, for a top 3 overall pick?

[Richard]

His coach at UCLA, Steve Alford, swears by him. "A lot of one-and-dones have an entitlement to them," Alford says. "At some point, they don't want to work or practice. But Lonzo was the opposite. He did everything and then some of what we wanted and expected out of him. His character is amazing. He's a tremendous teammate. I sure wish I had more than seven months with him."

Alford swats away a question about whether LaVar could hurt Lonzo's NBA future, saying simply, "Dads don't get to play."

 

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/presents19367606/how-lonzo-ball-father-lavar-ball-captured-our-attention

[Brandon]

after the lottery, instead of celebrating, lonzo ball went to the gym with his brothers to play ball.

people can hate the dad all they want, but by all accounts the kid is a good kid.

[HaloMilliVanilli]

Would you trade the #2 pick? 

Trade it to Sacramento for their #5 and #10?  In this scenario, we might be able to come away with one of Tatum, Fox, Monk or Dennis Smith depending on who you like more AND someone like Markennen or Zach Collins out of Gonzaga.

Trade it along with Clarkson to Philly for their #3 and our 1st for next years draft.  We come away with Josh Smith and don't have to worry about not having a pick in a potentially great early part of next years round 1.

Trade it for Jimmy Butler?

Trade it for Paul George?

Trade it along with Luol Deng (they eat his salary) to Orlando for their #6 and #25.  They get Ball, we get someone from the bolded group above and combine the #25 and #28 to move down a few spots into the low 20's (with the Nets?) and grab someone like Isaiah Hartenstein .

[Brandon]

that's some way out there shit, man.

[HaloMilliVanilli]

Just some different ideas I've seen.  Not that any of them are legitimate deals that have been offered, just a collection that I've thrown out to see if you'd rather just keep the #2 or take advantage of moving to offload bad contracts, pickup veteran help, etc.  And I targeted the topic at you specifically, Brandon, so I'm excited that you replied.

[Brandon]

whether you created the scenarios or not, it's some random ass scenarios.

[Lou]

5 hours ago, HaloJustinBieber said:

Would you trade the #2 pick? 

Trade it to Sacramento for their #5 and #10?  In this scenario, we might be able to come away with one of Tatum, Fox, Monk or Dennis Smith depending on who you like more AND someone like Markennen or Zach Collins out of Gonzaga.

Trade it along with Clarkson to Philly for their #3 and our 1st for next years draft.  We come away with Josh Smith and don't have to worry about not having a pick in a potentially great early part of next years round 1.

Trade it for Jimmy Butler?

Trade it for Paul George?

Trade it along with Luol Deng (they eat his salary) to Orlando for their #6 and #25.  They get Ball, we get someone from the bolded group above and combine the #25 and #28 to move down a few spots into the low 20's (with the Nets?) and grab someone like Isaiah Hartenstein .

Scenario # :

1. Might be ok.

2. Did u mean Philly and THEIR #1 pick? If not, hell no.

3. No

4. FA after one year, so no.

5. No. #25 is too low. 

[HaloMilliVanilli]

Lou, in the Philadelphia scenario we would give up the #2 overall pick (assuming that they would be enamored with L. Ball) + Clarkson and we would move down 1 position to #3 overall in the first round (I'll presume they select Josh Jackson for this argument) and be returned the rights to our own first round pick for next years draft.  Next years draft is not expected to be quite as deep as this years, but could be better at the top.

Involving Clarkson frees up extra cap space as well.  That may be critical if we are able to sign Paul George in 2018.  Gaining the cap space may make or break our ability to acquire a second all-star via free agency or trade that year.

[HaloMilliVanilli]

Obviously, all of the trades are dependent on other teams wanting Lonzo Ball badly AND the Lakers having other players they like as much if not more.  If Ball is their guy, then they should just draft him.

[Brandon]

no one in their right mind would give up a 1st to move up one spot. there isn't a can't miss player in this draft.

[Lou]

13 hours ago, HaloJustinBieber said:

Lou, in the Philadelphia scenario we would give up the #2 overall pick (assuming that they would be enamored with L. Ball) + Clarkson and we would move down 1 position to #3 overall in the first round (I'll presume they select Josh Jackson for this argument) and be returned the rights to our own first round pick for next years draft.  Next years draft is not expected to be quite as deep as this years, but could be better at the top.

Involving Clarkson frees up extra cap space as well.  That may be critical if we are able to sign Paul George in 2018.  Gaining the cap space may make or break our ability to acquire a second all-star via free agency or trade that year.

Ah, ok..i get it now. I don't think there is any way they give up a #1 (and take Clarkson and his contract) to move up one spot. That would be crazy. 

[Lou]

. . . or what B said

[HaloMilliVanilli]

Even though I agree that it is highly unlikely/crazy, I have witnessed when teams get fixated on a player odd things can happen.  Not saying this is one of those times but....

I guess I would stay open-minded to trading the pick IF it could help the team add players that we have equal grades on while adding additional talent or shedding bad contracts/freeing cap space for 2018.

By the way, did anyone else hear the rumor that the Lakers were instructed to not give away assets to acquire George this summer or at the trade deadline?  Not sure if that was by George's camp or what. 

[Lou]

Yeah, I've heard it came from "someone close to George" .

I guess he wants good players here when he signs as a FA. 

. . . I mean if

[Brandon]

i like that the dude was on one of the night time talk shows and said he was going to train with kobe and "talk about it" while being under contract with another team.

[AngelStew43]

If I were Magic, I'd offer the pick to the Knicks for Porzingis first, something along the lines of Lakers 2 and 28 picks for Porzingis and the Knicks number 8 pick, failing that, I'd offer it to Utah for Hayward and their first rounder this year. 

[tennischmp]

No point of doing anything drastic right now with the way the Cavs/Warriors are dominating. 

[Angel Oracle]

12 hours ago, AngelStew43 said:

If I were Magic, I'd offer the pick to the Knicks for Porzingis first, something along the lines of Lakers 2 and 28 picks for Porzingis and the Knicks number 8 pick, failing that, I'd offer it to Utah for Hayward and their first rounder this year. 

Can't see the Knicks doing that, moving up just 6 picks and gaining a late 1st round pick and trading Porzingis.