Scherzer is going to get an undeserved Cy Young

[sneaky_flute]

With Hernandez likely out of the running due to today's performance, Darvish should be the frontrunner for the award. However, all people are talking about is Scherzer's wins like they're actually useful for evaluating a pitcher.

[jshep]

I agree that Scherzer is going to get extra credit because of his record, which is dumb.

 

But I don't know about "an undeserved Cy Young", he's still an awfully good candidate for the award at the very least, putting W-L record aside.

Edited August 28, 2013 by jshep

[tdawg87]

Well it's not like Wins are the only thing he has going for him. He leads the league in WHIP (Darvish is 3rd), he's in the top 10 in IP (Darvish is 17th), he's 2nd in K's (behind Darvish) and 4th in ERA (Darvish is 2nd). So really, Darvish is ahead of Scherzer in 2 of the major categories, while Scherzer is ahead in 2 as well. I don't really see Darvish being the "frontrunner".

[eaterfan]

Agreed. We'll see what the IP gap ends up being by the end of the season. If Scherzer leads by more than 10 it's hard to think Darvish was better for this year.

[sneaky_flute]

Darvish went on the DL for a bit and he also leads in xFIP and siera. The issue is that he's not even in the Cy Young conversation when he absolutely should be.

[ettin]

With Hernandez likely out of the running due to today's performance, Darvish should be the frontrunner for the award. However, all people are talking about is Scherzer's wins like they're actually useful for evaluating a pitcher.

 

Although I agree wins aren't a useful measurement tool, Scherzer clearly is a front runner in a very narrow group that would include Darvish. I am not sure why you are upset about his placement?

 

Also there is still time left in the season. Scherzer or Darvish could get blown up like Hernandez did today. All three have done very well this season.

[AngelsLakersFan]

Scherzer will probably be a near unanimous selection. He leads the AL in pitcher WAR, he's about .10 points shy of the AL lead in ERA, fourth in ERA- just 4 points shy of the lead, second in strikeouts, third in SIERA (though way behind Darvish), and there is no one pitcher consistently ahead of him in any of these stats. And of course he is 19-1.

 

Darvish, Sanchez, Kuroda, and Hernandez will all split the votes for second place.

[Angelsjunky]

Mountain out of a mole-hill, and I'm not even sure there's a mole-hill. Scherzer is one of a few candidate that's worthy. Don't get too hung up on one advanced metric. And it isn't like Scherzer is, I don't know, Bartolo Colon in 2005.

[Hollyw00d]

Saying "undeserved" is going little far.

It's not like the AL MVP last year where the far and away better player got snubbed

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

Scherzer deserves the Cy Young over Darvish.

[sneaky_flute]

Scherzer deserves the Cy Young over Darvish.

What? No.

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

What? No.

You're thrown out of the jury. You're obviously bias. 

[Taylor]

Dude has a 0.91 WHIP. That is insane.

[Docwaukee]

Darvish went on the DL for a bit and he also leads in xFIP and siera. The issue is that he's not even in the Cy Young conversation when he absolutely should be.

Joe Blanton leads the halos in xFIP and SIERA.

[LightTheHalo]

19-1 on Aug. 28 incredibly impressive. W/L record may not be the end all be all, but come on, people, at least acknowledge that his record is eye popping. Then add in the other numbers and you really shouldn't be surprised he's the front-runner, no matter your "advanced metrics."

 

He's not the front-runner because he's 19-1. He's the front-runner because he's 19-1 with all of the other rankings listed above. ERA isn't the end all be all, either, folks. You've gotta stick around in games in order to win them a lot of the time.

[FireThemAll]

I think I'd give the Cy Young to Darvish for the simple fact that he pitches in such an extreme hitters park.

[Tank]

Joe Blanton leads the halos in xFIP and SIERA.

Whatever those stats are, they have just been made completely irrelevant by this revelation.

[Docwaukee]

Whatever those stats are, they have just been made completely irrelevant by this revelation.

my point exactly. 

[YouthofToday]

Why do you play the game? To Win. Is there a number to measure how many games a pitcher wills his team to win? Yes.

Pitcher wins are the most important stat in baseball (sarcasm off).

[bloodbrother]

Kershaw should win AL and NL Cy Young

 

1.72 ERA, 0.88 WHIP. just insane

[DW711]

Dude has a 0.91 WHIP. That is insane.

 

Exactly.

 

There's no other obvious candidates, either...but I think Kuroda should be getting more attention. A 2.89 era in that division..in those parks and at age 38.

[stevestevens]

Blanton should win the silver slugger award for AL pitcher.

[sneaky_flute]

Wins are literally the worst way to evaluate a pitcher. Pitchers don't pitch in a damn bubble with no influence from the rest of their team. Even when the use of sabremetrics wasn't prevalent, I never understood the fascination with wins. They're absolutely meaningless.

[Blarg]

Nelson Cruz thanks you for letting him off the hook.

[YouthofToday]

Kershaw should win AL and NL Cy Young

1.72 ERA, 0.88 WHIP. just insane

Perhaps, but I would still vote for mine Trout as the AL Cy Young due to his OF-ERA :-)