Weaver is not an ace anymore

[Angels]

He keeps throwing slower and slower. At some point it will be too slow.

[SoWhat]

He keeps throwing slower and slower. At some point it will be too slow.

In 2012 he was still able to touch 94. Now he's lucky to even touch 89 a few times a game. I think next year will be the start of a significant decline for Weav

[NrM]

This thread and the OP is a joke.

 

Weave hits a bump in the rode for a game or 2 and poozy jumps in to get punches in on a "Weaver is not an ace" thread. Absolute BS.

 

Skip that August 14th fluke, and Jared has allowed 38 earned runs this season in 19 appearances. That's 2 runs per game average.

 

If that's not an ace, I'm not sure what is.

 

Way to try to throw water on one of the only fires left on the team poozy, a guy that goes out there and give 110% every time he takes the mound. Truly not sure what kind of fan you think you are.

 

[Angel Oracle]

It does seem that his velocity is the same as a year ago, occasionally even better.

The off speed stuff still seems really good.

And he just lost his first game in a while, and is on pace for 17-18 wins.

The one bump in the road this season has been his struggles once reaching pitch #90 in a game.

[nikkachez]

Sadly I agree, Richards is the only dominating arm in this rotation. 

[floplag]

yeah no ace ever had a rough patch.....lol 
god the negativity here is so intense

[jshep]

yeah no ace ever had a rough patch.....lol 

god the negativity here is so intense

 

You're right, some people did overreact to Richards having a couple shaky starts.

 

Just not sure what this is doing in a thread about Weaver.

[Ohtaniland]

It does seem that his velocity is the same as a year ago, occasionally even better.

The off speed stuff still seems really good.

And he just lost his first game in a while, and is on pace for 17-18 wins.

The one bump in the road this season has been his struggles once reaching pitch #90 in a game.

 

Yep the velocity is pretty consistent.

 

[NrM]

It does seem that his velocity is the same as a year ago, occasionally even better.

The off speed stuff still seems really good.

And he just lost his first game in a while, and is on pace for 17-18 wins.

The one bump in the road this season has been his struggles once reaching pitch #90 in a game.

I expected better of you AO. wtf man..

 

1. His velocity continues to decline. 

http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfx.aspx?playerid=4235&position=P

 

2. Wins don't mean anything.

 

3. Weaver has a 4.30 ERA in his last 15 starts which is good for an ERA+ of around 80.

 

He has been anything but an ace.

[NrM]

yeah no ace ever had a rough patch.....lol 

god the negativity here is so intense

 

stop trolling man

Edited August 10, 2014 by Poozy

[YouthofToday]

Weaver is basically a #3 at home and nearly unstartable on the road.

I'm quite glad his contract is up after 2016.

Is anybody in favor of extending him?

[NrM]

Maybe they should do a platoon and only start him at home.

[YouthofToday]

Maybe they should do a platoon and only start him at home.

I don't think you can strictly do this during the season. During the postseason I think this must happen.

[Hollyw00d]

The long ball is becoming a serious issue. Good pitchers have a tendency to not give up home runs. Bad ones do. Weaver has been steadily trending toward the latter.

[Angel Oracle]

I expected better of you AO. wtf man..

 

1. His velocity continues to decline. 

http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfx.aspx?playerid=4235&position=P

 

2. Wins don't mean anything.

 

3. Weaver has a 4.30 ERA in his last 15 starts which is good for an ERA+ of around 80.

 

He has been anything but an ace.

Partly true, my main question though would be related to how he pitches once reaching 80-90 pitches, compared to a year ago and two years ago.

That is where it seems that his decline has been this season.    Is his ERA pretty normal, compared to 2013, until the 90 pitch point, and then he totally loses it fast?

[T.G.]

There's a Tigers forum out there some place with a thread called... Verlander is no longer an ace. 

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

There's a Tigers forum out there some place with a thread called... Verlander is no longer an ace.

Those people would be right.

[YouthofToday]

The massive usage of Verlander the past few years has caught up with him. He isn't startable right now. Tigers should place him on DL and hope the time off helps. Dude was topping out at 88 recently.

[Hollyw00d]

88? I don't think so, more like 92.

either way, his stuff has deteriorated and he might be pitching hurt, he got pulled from his last start with "shoulder soreness"

[YouthofToday]

Verlander on the DL entails more quality time with Kate Upton in her prime. Not necessarily a bad thing for Justin...

[Angel Oracle]

Verlander's ERA is fast approaching 5.00 overall, pitching home games in a hitting neutral park like Comerica.

Next to him, Weaver is a supreme ace.

[Mudville]

There's a Tigers forum out there some place with a thread called... Verlander is no longer an ace.

No home town discount.

[Inside Pitch]

Verlander's ERA is fast approaching 5.00 overall, pitching home games in a hitting neutral park like Comerica.

Next to him, Weaver is a supreme ace.

 

Verlander since the start of 2013.  377 IP, 4.01 ERA, 9.1 H/9, 0.9 HR/9, 3.1 BB/9, 8.0 K/9, 105 ERA+

J Weaver since that start of 2013.  310 IP, 3.48 ERA, 8.0 H/9, 1.0 HR/9. 2.5 BB/9, 6.9 K/9, 106 ERA+

 

These two seem to be following the same course.  Both drafted in 2004, both rookies in 2006, now both may be declining at the same time.  

[MVTrout]

Love Weaver, but he's our #2 now.

[YouthofToday]

Love Weaver, but he's our #2 now.

May called and wants its news report back.