The Official 2024 Draft Thread

[Second Base]

2 minutes ago, Blarg said:

They have O’Hoppe, Neto, Schanuel all in their 22-23 year age group. Tearing it all down wastes their careers waiting for your rebuild. Selling them off would be a tragic mistake in that you'd never recover better players for. 

At some point you have to build instead of wrecking ball everything you have to work with. Drop in a viable second baseman and the infield is set, even without Rendon. 

You can see the framework of a pitching staff in place with Dana soon to establish himself. The relief core, from in house, is solidifying. 

These are the base of the rebuild. There is nothing more to tear down except get what you can from Drury, Anderson, Estevez, Matt Moore and Free Willy Calhoun. 

I see where you’re coming from, and I loved the O’Hoppe trade and picking Neto. Their rebuild should’ve started a year ago, the could’ve gotten a prospect load for Ohtani, and they’d still have Quero and Ky Bush in the system. Throw in the Ohtani prospects, a more prep centered draft and whatever prospects they would get back this year if they sold everyone else off including Rengifo, Ward and Anderson….

THEN, you’d have the makings of something to build around.

[Second Base]

And @Blarg I think the best argument you can make opposing drafting a prep upside prospect is that the Angels simply aren’t good at developing those types. Otherwise it seems like it’s clearly the superior route.

[Second Base]

11 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

I suspect part of Perry's philosophy is that the Angels are incapable of developing talent.

I think that’s true and if it is, then Perry needs to be fired. You don’t pass on the best prospects simply because you’re incapable. You hire capable coaches, coordinators and scouts, you overhaul the philosophy of the system and you draft the best players.

[Blarg]

9 minutes ago, Second Base said:

I see where you’re coming from, and I loved the O’Hoppe trade and picking Neto. Their rebuild should’ve started a year ago, the could’ve gotten a prospect load for Ohtani, and they’d still have Quero and Ky Bush in the system. Throw in the Ohtani prospects, a more prep centered draft and whatever prospects they would get back this year if they sold everyone else off including Rengifo, Ward and Anderson….

THEN, you’d have the makings of something to build around.

Ohtani should have been traded in 2022 at his highest value when it was obvious the Angels hit a wall where they had hit payroll ceiling and still had an incomplete team. Last years deadline buy was criminal negligence. 

But now we are here, sort of a point of no return. Draft for need and hope they meet MLB minimum value. Which is a shit ton better than the free agent scrubs they were filling holes with. 

Find an exit strategy with Rendon, minimize Trout's exposure to injury and go with the kids and see where it takes you.

[Blarg]

They drafted Moore because Paris exposed what a complete bust he was. They have to have a 2nd baseman so Rengifo can cover 3rd base for the Invisible Man. 

[ThisismineScios]

 

 

This was 2019, so 5 years later it's safe to say we essentially know who these guys are. Even the 1st Round is a crap shoot. I think we've seen that Neto and Schanuel are at least capable of being league average - above league average players. Potentially. And that's the goal, isn't it? To fill your roster with guys that are 2.5 WAR minimum guys, then hope 2-3 of them pop and become stars? I don't like this rushing to the majors thing, but I think talent-wise we've shown that these guys aren't going to get DFA's in a year or two. Bachman, we will see. 

That said, I am NOT a fan of taking likely relievers in Rounds 2 and Comp B. Not smart, but if the talent is really shallow then maybe the idea is to go for the sure thing? Because it seems these guys are minimum ML relievers. 

1.	Baltimore Orioles	Adley Rutschman	C	Oregon State
2.	Kansas City Royals	Bobby Witt Jr.	SS	Colleyville Heritage HS (TX)
3.	Chicago White Sox	Andrew Vaughn	1B	California
4.	Miami Marlins	J.J. Bleday	OF	Vanderbilt
5.	Detroit Tigers	Riley Greene	OF	Hagerty HS (FL)
6.	San Diego Padres	C.J. Abrams	SS	Blessed Trinity HS (GA)
7.	Cincinnati Reds	Nick Lodolo	LHP	TCU
8.	Texas Rangers	Josh Jung	3B	Texas Tech
9.	Atlanta Braves	Shea Langeliers	C	Baylor
10.	San Francisco Giants	Hunter Bishop	OF	Arizona State
11.	Toronto Blue Jays	Alek Manoah	RHP	West Virginia
12.	New York Mets	Brett Baty	3B	Lake Travis HS (TX)
13.	Minnesota Twins	Keoni Cavaco	3B	Eastlake HS (CA)
14.	Philadelphia Phillies	Bryson Stott	SS	UNLV
15.	Los Angeles Angels	Will Wilson	SS	NC State
16.	Arizona Diamondbacks	Corbin Carroll	CF	Lakeside HS (WA)
17.	Washington Nationals	Jackson Rutledge	RHP	San Jacinto College North (TX)
18.	Pittsburgh Pirates	Quinn Priester	RHP	Cary-Grove HS (IL)
19.	St. Louis Cardinals	Zack Thompson	LHP	Kentucky
20.	Seattle Mariners	George Kirby	RHP	Elon
21.	Atlanta Braves	Braden Shewmake	SS	Texas A&M
22.	Tampa Bay Rays	Greg Jones	SS	UNC Wilmington
23.	Colorado Rockies	Michael Toglia	1B	UCLA
24.	Cleveland Indians	Daniel Espino	RHP	Georgia Premier Academy (GA)
25.	Los Angeles Dodgers	Kody Hoese	3B	Tulane
26.	Arizona Diamondbacks	Blake Walston	LHP	New Hanover HS (NC)
27.	Chicago Cubs	Ryan Jensen	RHP	Fresno State
28.	Milwaukee Brewers	Ethan Small	LHP	Mississippi State
29.	Oakland Athletics	Logan Davidson	SS	Clemson
30.	New York Yankees	Anthony Volpe	SS	Delbarton School (NJ)
31.	Los Angeles Dodgers	Michael Busch	1B	UNC
32.	Houston Astros	Korey Lee	C

[Hubs]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

 

At some point you have to build instead of wrecking ball everything you have to work with. Drop in a viable second baseman and the infield is set, even without Rendon.

Especially if they target guys in this age group at the trade deadline at 3B, and in the OF.

[HaloBronco]

Blarg I agree with your points.

Looking from the outside and going only with the information I can see and hear, it seems Perry is trying to plug holes on the major league level with today’s draft. 
 

Pure speculation, maybe Perry is frustrated with Arte’s lack of interest in spending money on player development (minor league system) so he is using a work around approach by doing what he is doing. Developing players on the major league level. Then everything we’re seeing this season makes sense to me. This coaching staff is evidence that too.  

 

 

Edited July 15 by HaloBronco

[halodground]

I don’t understand why they like to draft players with such limited upside. Especially on the pitching side. Agree with the statements above that it makes little sense to waste a high pick on someone projected to be a reliever. But can’t argue with the possibility that it is related to the inability to develop talent effectively. Going with high floor I guess mitigates that somewhat.

[AngelsLakersFan]

57 minutes ago, ThisismineScios said:

 

 

This was 2019, so 5 years later it's safe to say we essentially know who these guys are. Even the 1st Round is a crap shoot. I think we've seen that Neto and Schanuel are at least capable of being league average - above league average players. Potentially. And that's the goal, isn't it? To fill your roster with guys that are 2.5 WAR minimum guys, then hope 2-3 of them pop and become stars? I don't like this rushing to the majors thing, but I think talent-wise we've shown that these guys aren't going to get DFA's in a year or two. Bachman, we will see. 

That said, I am NOT a fan of taking likely relievers in Rounds 2 and Comp B. Not smart, but if the talent is really shallow then maybe the idea is to go for the sure thing? Because it seems these guys are minimum ML relievers. 

1.	Baltimore Orioles	Adley Rutschman	C	Oregon State
2.	Kansas City Royals	Bobby Witt Jr.	SS	Colleyville Heritage HS (TX)
3.	Chicago White Sox	Andrew Vaughn	1B	California
4.	Miami Marlins	J.J. Bleday	OF	Vanderbilt
5.	Detroit Tigers	Riley Greene	OF	Hagerty HS (FL)
6.	San Diego Padres	C.J. Abrams	SS	Blessed Trinity HS (GA)
7.	Cincinnati Reds	Nick Lodolo	LHP	TCU
8.	Texas Rangers	Josh Jung	3B	Texas Tech
9.	Atlanta Braves	Shea Langeliers	C	Baylor
10.	San Francisco Giants	Hunter Bishop	OF	Arizona State
11.	Toronto Blue Jays	Alek Manoah	RHP	West Virginia
12.	New York Mets	Brett Baty	3B	Lake Travis HS (TX)
13.	Minnesota Twins	Keoni Cavaco	3B	Eastlake HS (CA)
14.	Philadelphia Phillies	Bryson Stott	SS	UNLV
15.	Los Angeles Angels	Will Wilson	SS	NC State
16.	Arizona Diamondbacks	Corbin Carroll	CF	Lakeside HS (WA)
17.	Washington Nationals	Jackson Rutledge	RHP	San Jacinto College North (TX)
18.	Pittsburgh Pirates	Quinn Priester	RHP	Cary-Grove HS (IL)
19.	St. Louis Cardinals	Zack Thompson	LHP	Kentucky
20.	Seattle Mariners	George Kirby	RHP	Elon
21.	Atlanta Braves	Braden Shewmake	SS	Texas A&M
22.	Tampa Bay Rays	Greg Jones	SS	UNC Wilmington
23.	Colorado Rockies	Michael Toglia	1B	UCLA
24.	Cleveland Indians	Daniel Espino	RHP	Georgia Premier Academy (GA)
25.	Los Angeles Dodgers	Kody Hoese	3B	Tulane
26.	Arizona Diamondbacks	Blake Walston	LHP	New Hanover HS (NC)
27.	Chicago Cubs	Ryan Jensen	RHP	Fresno State
28.	Milwaukee Brewers	Ethan Small	LHP	Mississippi State
29.	Oakland Athletics	Logan Davidson	SS	Clemson
30.	New York Yankees	Anthony Volpe	SS	Delbarton School (NJ)
31.	Los Angeles Dodgers	Michael Busch	1B	UNC
32.	Houston Astros	Korey Lee	C

Pretty wild that 14 of the top 16 picks are solids hits, and here come the Halos at 15 laying a giant turd.

[Tank]

Just now, AngelsLakersFan said:

Pretty wild that 14 of the top 16 picks are solids hits, and here come the Halos at 15 laying a giant turd.

and to make matters worse, they could've had corbin carroll.

[AngelsLakersFan]

4 minutes ago, halodground said:

I don’t understand why they like to draft players with such limited upside. Especially on the pitching side. Agree with the statements above that it makes little sense to waste a high pick on someone projected to be a reliever. But can’t argue with the possibility that it is related to the inability to develop talent effectively. Going with high floor I guess mitigates that somewhat.

I honestly don't understand why it is difficult to develop a pitcher. Like, this stuff is pretty straight forward. Either you got the arm or you don't, the rest is just health and reps.

[AngelsLakersFan]

2 minutes ago, Tank said:

and to make matters worse, they could've had corbin carroll.

Or George Kirby. It's also pretty wild how fast the list falls off right about when the Angels have their pick. 

[Inside Pitch]

3 minutes ago, Tank said:

and to make matters worse, they could've had corbin carroll.

The guy I wanted and said as much was a George Kirby....  I'm still bitter.

[Inside Pitch]

Just now, Inside Pitch said:

The guy I wanted and said as much was a George Kirby....  I'm still bitter.

The Mariners actually drafted the guy I wanted twice.... I was high on Logan Gilbert too.  At least with Gilbert they drafted him before the Angels had the chance.

[AngelsLakersFan]

Just now, Inside Pitch said:

The Mariners actually drafted the guy I wanted twice.... I was high on Logan Gilbert too.  At least with Gilbert they drafted him before the Angels had the chance.

Meanwhile Dipoto didnt draft shit when he was here. lol. This is so fucked!

[Tank]

4 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

The guy I wanted and said as much was a George Kirby....  I'm still bitter.

yeah, he'd have been a good one. 

have you considered doing some yoga to release that which pesters your baseball heart? or perhaps a good vegan smoothie would do the trick, like something with wheat germ, chia sees, and lemon grass.

[Inside Pitch]

9 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

Meanwhile Dipoto didnt draft shit when he was here. lol. This is so fucked!

The one thing he did there that he completely screwed up here was he left most of the scouting department in place.  The Mariners had a really good scouting department, they just struggled developing guys, specifically hitters.  Honestly, outside of Rodriguez and their catcher they still haven't done all that well.  They have another crop of hitters brewing so maybe it turns out better this time.

[Inside Pitch]

5 minutes ago, Tank said:

yeah, he'd have been a good one. 

have you considered doing some yoga to release that which pesters your baseball heart? or perhaps a good vegan smoothie would do the trick, like something with wheat germ, chia sees, and lemon grass.

Sometimes I read Mookyspice's poems and just let the feelings flow.

[AngelsLakersFan]

3 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

The one thing he did there that he completely screwed up here was he left most of the scouting department in place.  The Mariners had a really good scouting department, they just struggled developing guys, specifically hitters.  Honestly, outside of Rodriguez and their catcher they still haven't done all that well.  The have another crop of hitters brewing so maybe it turns out better this time.

At least you're optimistic that Jerry has turned things around...

[Inside Pitch]

4 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

At least you're optimistic that Jerry has turned things around...

I still think he's an ass hat, but at least he learned not to fuck up a good thing because you want to be the big boss guy.

I will never forgive what he did to the farm system.

Also I find it hilarious that after everything he did to dick MS under, the dude has been building prototypical MS teams.  All pitching, lots of defense and enough offense to win the close games.

[Tank]

4 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Sometimes I read Mookyspice's poems and just let the feelings flow.

adios, big unit,

adios, my friend

[Inside Pitch]

1 minute ago, Tank said:

adios, big unit,

adios, my friend

I wish these guys could have seen the clown show that was the Mariners aol baseball boards...  The poems to the Titanic theme was pure comedy.

[Tank]

8 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

I wish these guys could have seen the clown show that was the Mariners aol baseball boards...  The poems to the Titanic theme was pure comedy.

that was an amazingly fun time. we got away with a lot, and it was totally worth it. 

[arch stanton]

1 hour ago, Inside Pitch said:

The guy I wanted and said as much was a George Kirby....  I'm still bitter.

If the Angels had drafted Kirby would they have forced him to throw more breaking balls like they love to do?