The Official Los Angeles Angels 2023-2024 Hot Stove Offseason Thread

[Angelsfan1984]

2 minutes ago, HaloBronco said:

Can I trade 2 tomato cans for some prime rib .. LOL

Pretty much. You have to find someone allergic to beef and who loves tomatoes lol

[HaloBronco]

Hopefully after the holidays are over the Halos will make a couple of meaningful moves… 

Unless their done and going as is…..LOL!

[T.G.]

Wow. That Matsui signing came out of no where. I had no idea the Padres were in play.

[T.G.]

2 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

Halos not interested enough in him?

Or maybe us overrating him?

Definitely overrated by some here. He's not a closer. 

[HaloBronco]

34 minutes ago, T.G. said:

Definitely overrated by some here. He's not a closer. 

Maybe if they’re lucky he’ll be similar to Shiggy. 

 

[Angels 1961]

I just drove my Anaheim stadium 2 cars still in lot. I saw movement in the dumpster and security guard said Perry working late. Rumor is looking for a pitcher to sign on minor league deal. Found 2 catchers and 1B now needs a pitcher before Monday.

[CartiHalos]

21 hours ago, Angels 1961 said:

I agree for backup catcher he did a decent job. He has trade value.

Agree there's value, just not sure how much. I expect if there's a deal specifically with him, people will be disappointed with the return.

[totdprods]

1 hour ago, CartiHalos said:

Agree there's value, just not sure how much. I expect if there's a deal specifically with him, people will be disappointed with the return.

I imagine any deal with Thaiss likely involves him being like the third most important outgoing Halo. 

Only thing that would change that would be if they did sign someone like Garver, Sanchez, or Maldonado and they were literally just swapping him to a team that had some 40-depth roster jams and had a similar out of options reliever or someone even fringier with options.

[Angel Oracle]

Not expecting much this week.

Just hope they finally make some true upgrade moves once January arrives.

[Stradling]

 

[tdawg87]

Season over.

[Taylor]

42 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Season over.

Grow up

[Angels 1961]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

 

Wow 2 years 24 easy go 3 at 36. Anoter decent bat gone. Let's spend 80 or more for Hernandez he fits with all his K's

[Angels 1961]

45 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Season over.

Perry has dumpster thru first of year he is still looking.

[AngelStew43]

3 hours ago, totdprods said:

I imagine any deal with Thaiss likely involves him being like the third most important outgoing Halo. 

Only thing that would change that would be if they did sign someone like Garver, Sanchez, or Maldonado and they were literally just swapping him to a team that had some 40-depth roster jams and had a similar out of options reliever or someone even fringier with options.

Thaiss has value because he is a passable C that hits from the left side.  He can also play 1B.  Any team looking for a LHH bench bat would be in play.  He’d be a nice fit for NYY, for example.

[Stradling]

12 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Grow up

Excuse me?

[CartiHalos]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

 

This was so affordable, and we are probably going to end up with Teoscar who they let walk for like 80 million.

[CartiHalos]

43 minutes ago, AngelStew43 said:

Thaiss has value because he is a passable C that hits from the left side.  He can also play 1B.  Any team looking for a LHH bench bat would be in play.  He’d be a nice fit for NYY, for example.

NYY have way too many Catchers (including Austin Wells who's basically better Thaiss) and also have 2 bench bats that hit from the left side. Also if they were in the market for a backup 1B (despite DJ being able to play there) I would guess they would want a righty.

[tdawg87]

40 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Excuse me?

[tdawg87]

8 minutes ago, CartiHalos said:

This was so affordable, and we are probably going to end up with Teoscar who they let walk for like 80 million.

They must really like O'Hoppe and don't want him losing significant playing time.

I don’t think there's any way Teoscar gets that much. He's literally just  Hunter Renfroe. Same age. I could see 3/45. 

[Angel Oracle]

9 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

They must really like O'Hoppe and don't want him losing significant playing time.

I don’t think there's any way Teoscar gets that much. He's literally just  Hunter Renfroe. Same age. I could see 3/45. 

Yep, and I would still pass on that too.

K’s too much, defense questionable, and the Halos already have enough batters who struggle with OBP (career .316).

Give Adell similar number of at bats, and it’s not that much of a drop off from Hernandez’ 2023 season.

Edited December 25, 2023 by Angel Oracle

[CartiHalos]

19 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

They must really like O'Hoppe and don't want him losing significant playing time.

I don’t think there's any way Teoscar gets that much. He's literally just  Hunter Renfroe. Same age. I could see 3/45. 

He's Hunter Renfroe with better peripherals, 12 higher OPS+, and not coming off an abysmal year.  I think the hardest thing for him to get will be the 4th year, but he'll almost certainly get between 15-20 AAV (my guess is the higher end.)

[BTH]

1 hour ago, Angels 1961 said:

Wow 2 years 24 easy go 3 at 36. Anoter decent bat gone. Let's spend 80 or more for Hernandez he fits with all his K's

So sign a player, whose most games played in a season is 103, for his age 33, 34, and 35 seasons?

I liked Garver and I like him at 2/$24M, but I can see why you might want to stay away from him. Let alone giving another year to an injury prone 33 year old.

[CartiHalos]

9 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Yep, and I would still pass on that too.

K’s too much, defense questionable, and the Halos already have enough batters who struggle with OBP (career .316).

Give Adell similar number of at bats, and it’s not that much of a drop off from Hernandez’ 2023 season.

While I agree the K's are a problem, and the lack of walks is maybe an even bigger problem, he has had great offensive seasons in spite of those things (his wOBA numbers from 2020-2022 were excellent). For $15M, there are a lot worse options. When you start paying him 18 or more, or giving him the 4th year I tap out. 

 

I disagree very much on Adell.  The quality of contact has never been there for Adell to expect him to put up a .435 slugging% or a .178 ISO over a full season like Teo did.  Also, Adells strikeout/walk problems are just as bad.

[Angel Oracle]

Just now, CartiHalos said:

While I agree the K's are a problem, and the lack of walks is maybe an even bigger problem, he has had great offensive seasons in spite of those things (his wOBA numbers from 2020-2022 were excellent). For $15M, there are a lot worse options. When you start paying him 18 or more, or giving him the 4th year I tap out. 

 

I disagree very much on Adell.  The quality of contact has never been there for Adell to expect him to put up a .435 slugging% or a .178 ISO over a full season like Teo did.  Also, Adells strikeout/walk problems are just as bad.

I can see where you are coming from.

I would just prefer to stay away from the type of season Hernández had in 2023.
Would prefer to trade for someone like Kepler.