Ohtani news coming today?

[tdawg87]

Not my money.

[Blarg]

1 hour ago, AngelStew43 said:

Don’t forget, Ohtani generates revenue in ticket sales, merchandise, advertising, etc. So, 500 mil is offset by the revenue he generates.  Look at us.  Ohtani was worth 5-10 thousand a night in attendance alone when he pitched.  

He only pitched 14 games at home last season and he wont be pitching in 2024. The revenue he brings in doesn't offset running up to the cap and not being able to make significant improvements. Instead the Angels will be hobbling around with one year scrap heap guys to fill roster holes. That hasn't worked out the last 8 years.

When he does return to pitching it creates the 6 man rotation which has never proved successful, reducing your best pitchers by 7 games a year and tagging 26 games to a guy that shouldn't be in the rotation. He is a white elephant. 

[Jay]

3 hours ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

If it's going to take "north of $500M", which is what the Cubs' offer is rumored to be, hard pass.

Whoever spends that much money on Ohtani will end up being sorry for it, including the Angels.

[T.G.]

4 hours ago, Stradling said:

Am I the only one who thinks it’s actually insane to give Ohtani more than $450-500 million?

I think it's insane that professional athletes are among the highest paid people in the world, but more power to them for getting what they do.

[REDneck]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

He is a white elephant

The crowd that wants to sign him for 500m are seeing pink elephants.

[Taylor]

9 hours ago, Robrock30 said:

You didn't watch the Mark Sanchez butt fumble then 

https://youtu.be/82RIfy-gRa4?si=RgFqG_B14CuGbUfw

I went to high school with him.

[Dtwncbad]

19 minutes ago, Taylor said:

I went to high school with him.

We know.  Mark Sanchez pretty much always mentions he went to high school with you.

[Robrock30]

2 hours ago, Taylor said:

I went to high school with him.

Santa Margarita or Mission Viejo?

[Taylor]

45 minutes ago, Robrock30 said:

Santa Margarita or Mission Viejo?

Mission Viejo

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

9 hours ago, Blarg said:

He only pitched 14 games at home last season and he wont be pitching in 2024. The revenue he brings in doesn't offset running up to the cap and not being able to make significant improvements. Instead the Angels will be hobbling around with one year scrap heap guys to fill roster holes. That hasn't worked out the last 8 years.

When he does return to pitching it creates the 6 man rotation which has never proved successful, reducing your best pitchers by 7 games a year and tagging 26 games to a guy that shouldn't be in the rotation. He is a white elephant. 

Agree, with all of this Blarg. 

He has basically held the Angels over a barrel for the last 5 years! Automatic 6man rotation, He would skip starts which either meant a bullpen game or moving someone up a day. I'm still going back over the last 2 years... Did any of his Home Runs give us a lead or a win? I remember mostly ass going one way hands going another when the game was on the line. Other than the WBC...

Does anyone remember a single game in the last 2years where he came through in the clutch? To take a lead or drive in the winning run in the 7th inning or later?

In that many games and at bats there has to be 10 or more? Right?

[Ender]

North of 500 million? god damn .... hope its a bobby bonilla type contract. 

[Vegas Halo Fan]

23 hours ago, Jay said:

Whoever spends that much money on Ohtani will end up being sorry for it, including the Angels.

That is far too much money to pay one player, especially one pushing 30. There are also warning signs, in the form of two arm injuries that may turn him into a full time DH within the next 3-4 years. As much as I have enjoyed watching Ohtani play and I have marveled at his production, I'm ready to move on. The club made adjustments for him that adversely affected other players. Let somebody else overpay and wreck their payroll for years to come.

Edited November 27, 2023 by Vegas Halo Fan

[Pancake Bear]

I see we're at the "are we sure Ohtani is even good?" stage of grief. 

[jsnpritchett]

21 minutes ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

That is far too much money to pay one player, especially one pushing 30. There are also warning signs, in the form of two arm injuries that may turn him into a full time DH within the next 3-4 years. As much as I have enjoyed watching Ohtani play and I have marveled at his production, I'm ready to move on. The club made adjustments for him that adversely affected other players. Let somebody else overpay and wreck their payroll for years to come.

 

20 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

I see we're at the "are we sure Ohtani is even good?" stage of grief. 

PB, I don't know if I'd go that far, but Vegas Halo Fan pretty much summed up how I feel about the situation.  I've loved watching him, but unless the team boosts payroll significantly, I just don't think it's realistic to think they'll be in a good position to get into the playoffs in the next couple years if they re-sign him.  The only way would be if both Trout and Rendon play full, healthy seasons and perform to the level they were at before injuries set in--and if some of the younger guys truly take a huge step forward.  That's a lot of hoping and wishing. 

[Jeff Fletcher]

21 hours ago, SlappyUtilityMIF said:

Does anyone remember a single game in the last 2years where he came through in the clutch? To take a lead or drive in the winning run in the 7th inning or later?

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Cr#   Yr# Gm#       Date  Tm Opp        Pitcher     Score Event Inn RoB Out Pit(cnt) RBI  WPA RE24   LI                                                 Play Description
248     1   2 2022-05-08 LAA WSN  Tanner Rainey  down 4-2    2B  b9 1-3   2  2 (0-1)   2 0.51 1.83 3.45 Double to LF (Fly Ball to Deep LF-CF) Rengifo Scores Ward Scores
249     2   3 2022-06-21 LAA KCR   Scott Barlow down 10-7    HR  b9 12-   1  5 (2-2)   3 0.48 2.36 2.64          Home Run (Fly Ball to Deep RF) Wade Scores Trout Scores
250     3   1 2022-09-07 LAA DET  Andrew Chafin  tied 3-3    HR  b7 ---   0  3 (2-0)   1 0.21 1.00 1.51                                Home Run (Fly Ball to Deep CF-RF)
251     4   1 2023-05-18 LAA BAL Danny Coulombe  tied 5-5    1B  t8 123   2  1 (0-0)   1 0.23 1.00 5.65 Single to 1B (Ground Ball) Neto Scores Urshela to 3B Trout to 2B
252     5   1 2023-06-04 LAA HOU     Phil Maton  tied 1-1    2B  t8 1--   2  6 (3-2)   1 0.29 1.09 1.81              Double to RF (Fly Ball to Deep RF Line) Neto Scores
253     6   1 2023-06-12 LAA TEX Grant Anderson  down 5-4    HR  t7 ---   1  2 (0-1)   1 0.20 1.00 1.26                                Home Run (Fly Ball to Deep LF-CF)
254     7   3 2023-06-12 LAA TEX    Cole Ragans  tied 5-5    HR t12 -2-   0  1 (0-0)   2 0.31 1.37 3.94                  Home Run (Fly Ball to Deep LF) Ward Scores/unER
255     8   2 2023-07-17 LAA NYY   Michael King  down 3-1    HR  b7 1--   2  4 (1-2)   2 0.34 1.87 1.38                 Home Run (Fly Ball to Deep LF-CF) Escobar Scores
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[Inside Pitch]

On 11/26/2023 at 4:24 PM, Jay said:

Whoever spends that much money on Ohtani will end up being sorry for it, including the Angels.

 

[angelsnationtalk]

8 hours ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

That is far too much money to pay one player, especially one pushing 30. There are also warning signs, in the form of two arm injuries that may turn him into a full time DH within the next 3-4 years. As much as I have enjoyed watching Ohtani play and I have marveled at his production, I'm ready to move on. The club made adjustments for him that adversely affected other players. Let somebody else overpay and wreck their payroll for years to come.

But imagine the Angels signing Ohtani and then doing other things to make the playoffs? That would be a fun as hell type story. Imagine the Dodgers whiffing on Ohtani and Yamomoto.

 

A guy can dream.....

[Taylor]

[cals]

Who, over the age of 3, says “doo doo”?

[Pancake Bear]

My kid's best friend's pediatrician is a cousin of Alex Curry, and she says that story is total BS.

[BTH]

Alex Curry hasn’t been with the Angels for 2+ years.

I don’t buy the story.

[m0nkey]

Well it’s worthy of discussion, we all love rumors around here 

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

4 hours ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

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Cr#   Yr# Gm#       Date  Tm Opp        Pitcher     Score Event Inn RoB Out Pit(cnt) RBI  WPA RE24   LI                                                 Play Description
248     1   2 2022-05-08 LAA WSN  Tanner Rainey  down 4-2    2B  b9 1-3   2  2 (0-1)   2 0.51 1.83 3.45 Double to LF (Fly Ball to Deep LF-CF) Rengifo Scores Ward Scores
249     2   3 2022-06-21 LAA KCR   Scott Barlow down 10-7    HR  b9 12-   1  5 (2-2)   3 0.48 2.36 2.64          Home Run (Fly Ball to Deep RF) Wade Scores Trout Scores
250     3   1 2022-09-07 LAA DET  Andrew Chafin  tied 3-3    HR  b7 ---   0  3 (2-0)   1 0.21 1.00 1.51                                Home Run (Fly Ball to Deep CF-RF)
251     4   1 2023-05-18 LAA BAL Danny Coulombe  tied 5-5    1B  t8 123   2  1 (0-0)   1 0.23 1.00 5.65 Single to 1B (Ground Ball) Neto Scores Urshela to 3B Trout to 2B
252     5   1 2023-06-04 LAA HOU     Phil Maton  tied 1-1    2B  t8 1--   2  6 (3-2)   1 0.29 1.09 1.81              Double to RF (Fly Ball to Deep RF Line) Neto Scores
253     6   1 2023-06-12 LAA TEX Grant Anderson  down 5-4    HR  t7 ---   1  2 (0-1)   1 0.20 1.00 1.26                                Home Run (Fly Ball to Deep LF-CF)
254     7   3 2023-06-12 LAA TEX    Cole Ragans  tied 5-5    HR t12 -2-   0  1 (0-0)   2 0.31 1.37 3.94                  Home Run (Fly Ball to Deep LF) Ward Scores/unER
255     8   2 2023-07-17 LAA NYY   Michael King  down 3-1    HR  b7 1--   2  4 (1-2)   2 0.34 1.87 1.38                 Home Run (Fly Ball to Deep LF-CF) Escobar Scores
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Thanks Fletch!

Game 1 - W - 2022

Game 2 - L - 2022

Game 3 - L - 2022

Game 4 - W - 2023

Game 5 - W - 2023

Game 5 ^ same game 6-12-2023

Game 7 - W - 2023

Game 8 - W - 2023

 

8 times (5-2) record in 324 possible games played (162x2) in 292 actual games in the lineup in 2022 & 2023.

[Dtwncbad]

42 minutes ago, SlappyUtilityMIF said:

Thanks Fletch!

Game 1 - W - 2022

Game 2 - L - 2022

Game 3 - L - 2022

Game 4 - W - 2023

Game 5 - W - 2023

Game 5 ^ same game 6-12-2023

Game 7 - W - 2023

Game 8 - W - 2023

 

8 times (5-2) record in 324 possible games played (162x2) in 292 actual games in the lineup in 2022 & 2023.

I wholly reject a contrived measurement that ignores a player’s performance in the first 6 innings.

A player hits a three run homer in the third inning to tie the game, and then hits another three run homer in the sixth to tie the game, but strikes out in the eighth down by one run.

Yeah that guy isn’t “clutch.”  We don’t want guys like that.

[Pancake Bear]

Ohtani's WPA over the past two seasons both on the mound and at the plate is nothing to complain about. He's comfortably in the upper echelon.