Angels waive Moore (claimed by Cleveland), Giolito (claimed by Cleveland), Lopez (claimed by Cleveland), Grichuk (not claimed), Renfroe (claimed by Cincinnati), Leone (claimed by Seattle)

[T.G.]

Just now, Stradling said:

No one expected it. 

Which is why it's surprising to me.

[T.G.]

[Blarg]

3 minutes ago, T.G. said:

The Angels are holding try outs at the stadium today at 1 p.m.  Grab your glove.

@cals let your team know there are openings.

[Blarg]

4 minutes ago, T.G. said:

Surprising to me.

 

3 minutes ago, Stradling said:

No one expected it. 

 

2 minutes ago, T.G. said:

Which is why it's surprising to me.

[cals]

2 minutes ago, Blarg said:

@cals let your team know there are openings.

Oh were going for sure. 

[Blarg]

2 minutes ago, cals said:

Oh were going for sure. 

I didn't say you. 

[BTH]

48 minutes ago, T.G. said:

Yes, I'm sure.  If no one claims them, they're released and free to sign wherever they want.

 

45 minutes ago, mmc said:

Revocable waivers aren't a thing anymore

Thanks, T.G. and mmc!

So how were the Angels able to place Anderson on waivers last week and still keep him?

 

[cals]

1 minute ago, Blarg said:

I didn't say you. 

dick

[T.G.]

6 minutes ago, BTH said:

So how were the Angels able to place Anderson on waivers last week and still keep him?

No idea.  Good question.

[Palomar]

Surprised Moore and Lopez were added to this list.

[T.G.]

Correction... I believe if no one claims the players, they can remain on the roster.  That's my understanding, but I could be wrong.

[PattyD22]

21 minutes ago, T.G. said:

The Angels are holding try outs at the stadium today at 1 p.m.  Grab your glove.

 

[Angel Oracle]

10 hours ago, Mark68 said:

Jerry Jones > Arte Moreno

 

And I HATE the fucking Cowboys.

At least they have over .500 seasons and make the playoffs.

[IheartLA]

1 hour ago, totdprods said:

Weirdly, I kind of like all this. And I’m not a huge fan of Perry. 

They aren’t doing the usual thing where they deny they’re out of it way past the point of where it’s obvious. This enables a better draft pick if/when Ohtani walks. Resets luxury tax so they can do it again next year without incurring second-year penalties. And I think for some of these players, getting an opportunity to go to a contender is favorable for them (and their pending free agency) which is a player-forward slant. It’s opening time up for evaluation of 2024 depth and players. 

I think it’s more forward-thinking than we’ve usually seen. 

That would be nice if those were the reasons they were doing it. But it’s not. Arte doesn’t want to pay the tax this year and is pulling this stunt. There is no forward thinking plan to go over the tax in future years, it was a one time Ohtani’s last dance go for it moment for Arte and now that’s it’s over he’s being classic Arte in how cheap he is just like in years past when he didn’t want to pay $500k appearance bonuses, cut travel expenses, plus so many other examples from former players/employees that it isn’t trolling Arte really is a cheap bastard. 

[jsnpritchett]

30 minutes ago, BTH said:

 

Thanks, T.G. and mmc!

So how were the Angels able to place Anderson on waivers last week and still keep him?

 

 

21 minutes ago, T.G. said:

Correction... I believe if no one claims the players, they can remain on the roster.  That's my understanding, but I could be wrong.

Correct.  This isn't the same as DFAing someone.

[totdprods]

13 minutes ago, IheartLA said:

That would be nice if those were the reasons they were doing it. But it’s not. Arte doesn’t want to pay the tax this year and is pulling this stunt. There is no forward thinking plan to go over the tax in future years, it was a one time Ohtani’s last dance go for it moment for Arte and now that’s it’s over he’s being classic Arte in how cheap he is just like in years past when he didn’t want to pay $500k appearance bonuses, cut travel expenses, plus so many other examples from former players/employees that it isn’t trolling Arte really is a cheap bastard. 

By not paying the tax, they 1) get a better comp pick if Ohtani walks and 2) reset their luxury tax status for next year, so they don’t incur second-year penalties 

Kinda pointless paying the tax this season at this point, so if you can avoid that, why not? He was fine paying it at the deadline and would’ve been fine paying it if they were contending still…

Edited August 30, 2023 by totdprods

[HBAngel13]

1 hour ago, totdprods said:

Weirdly, I kind of like all this. And I’m not a huge fan of Perry. 

They aren’t doing the usual thing where they deny they’re out of it way past the point of where it’s obvious. This enables a better draft pick if/when Ohtani walks. Resets luxury tax so they can do it again next year without incurring second-year penalties. And I think for some of these players, getting an opportunity to go to a contender is favorable for them (and their pending free agency) which is a player-forward slant. It’s opening time up for evaluation of 2024 depth and players. 

I think it’s more forward-thinking than we’ve usually seen. 

I am more of a Perry fan than you (for now). I see these as shrewd moves that will help optimize things going forward.  If the Rays or Dodgers did this, they would be lauded for their creativity.  This speaks to Perry’s tendency to cut losses quickly - a great trait that we are not used to as halo fans. 

Unfortunately the optics around these moves are not good.  That said, we are already under general scrutiny for the Ohtani situation so we might as well do what’s best for the team regardless of media blowback. 

If we knew more about the direction of the team next year (ownership, Ohtani, retool, etc…) it would be easier to stomach these out of the box moves.  Even though this makes a lot of sense, it just exacerbates the overall chaos. 
 

[Lazorko Saves]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

No one expected it. 

[Hubs]

Anyone who thinks this is a good move....

Nevin is most certainly getting fired and Perry is probably getting pushed out the door as well.

@swordsman78 and other Jock Swingers...Face reality. Your guys suck at their jobs. Time for a complete overhaul.

[Chuck]

13 hours ago, Lazorko Saves said:

How is this thread 11 pages...geez...

Where are the poker players in this thread?  Who understand that money in the pot is already gone. And each action is a new independent decision.

Perry made a huge bluffing/probing raise and got re-raised. He's correct to fold here, even for a small amount.

Yes, it's embarrassing, but it's the right play to try and get under the tax level. Not for the benefit of Arte's wallet, but for the benefit of keeping your over-tax count at zero, for potential future flexibility for the franchise.

 

[Blarg]

1 hour ago, IheartLA said:

That would be nice if those were the reasons they were doing it. But it’s not. Arte doesn’t want to pay the tax this year and is pulling this stunt. There is no forward thinking plan to go over the tax in future years, it was a one time Ohtani’s last dance go for it moment for Arte and now that’s it’s over he’s being classic Arte in how cheap he is just like in years past when he didn’t want to pay $500k appearance bonuses, cut travel expenses, plus so many other examples from former players/employees that it isn’t trolling Arte really is a cheap bastard. 

It was explained clearly to you and yet you can't understand the motivation came from the GM's office, trying secure the best result if Ohtani walks.

Why are you so dead set on being wrong? 

[Hubs]

This didn't come from the GM office. This came from Arte, and Perry is doing what he is told. Hoping to keep his job. I doubt it will happen.

[Tank]

1 hour ago, Angel Oracle said:

At least they have over .500 seasons and make the playoffs.

yeah,  but they only play 17 games.

even rendon can play 17 games.

[Blarg]

Just now, Hubs said:

This didn't come from the GM office. This came from Arte, and Perry is doing what he is told. Hoping to keep his job. I doubt it will happen.

You think Arte understands the CBA as it relates to free agency compensation? 

No, he doesn't. This was a Minasian move. 

[Hubs]

3 minutes ago, Blarg said:

You think Arte understands the CBA as it relates to free agency compensation? 

No, he doesn't. This was a Minasian move. 

He understands the Luxury tax and doesn't want to pay it.