Thoughts on Trevor Bauer?

[cals]

2 hours ago, Dtwncbad said:

For the record, I would take Bauer.  He is not going to cost much.  He probably would represent the best upside contract imaginable.  And while he is certainly weird, he was set up and was the victim of extortion.

All I would need to know is if the clubhouse would accept him. Is so, I sign him yesterday.

He costs basically nothing and you can cut him if he doesn’t pan out.  It’s been shown that, at worst, he’s a douche with poor judgement, not a criminal.  And I think other players know that.  They don’t care about the accusations.  They care that he’s an obnoxious teammate.

My suspicion is he’s been approached by a couple of teams and they’ve kicked the tires but they’ve told his agent they would require him to issue some bullshit apology and he won’t.  And this is why he won’t:

(1) Victims don’t usually need to apologize, even if they were preyed upon because of their own stupidity.  I think anyone here that was falsely accused would steadfastly defend themselves and not waver nor be forced to intimate that they were someone responsible for something they didn’t do.

(2) An apology could negatively affect the ongoing litigation he has and making another 20-40 million playing for the next 5 years probably pales in comparison to what he stands to gain in these lawsuits.  Frankly, I think that’s the main reason.  

[Erstad Grit]

8 hours ago, cals said:

It’s a hypothetical and it requires the balancing of the baggage involved with signing him versus the greatest possible benefit for the Angels (playoffs and retaining Ohtani).  

And summarily stating that Bauer wouldn’t put the Angels over the hump both ignores that this is a hypothetical and also that he’s the 2020 NL Cy Young winner, is still in his prime years and has minimal mileage on his arm for the last two years.

So frankly I find your response pointless.  As well as you as a human being.

Citing his 2020 Cy young as likelihood of him putting Angels over the top shows how poorly thought out of a hypothetical this is. You know who else had great years in 2020 and received Cy Young votes?

Dylan Bundy, Keuchel, Ryu, Maeda, Kyle Hendricks, etc.

Bauer is making videos pitching against Juco and high school kids in a cage. Creating a hypothetical where he moves the needle just isn't based in reality. 

 

[cals]

2 hours ago, Erstad Grit said:

Citing his 2020 Cy young as likelihood of him putting Angels over the top shows how poorly thought out of a hypothetical this is. You know who else had great years in 2020 and received Cy Young votes?

Dylan Bundy, Keuchel, Ryu, Maeda, Kyle Hendricks, etc.

Bauer is making videos pitching against Juco and high school kids in a cage. Creating a hypothetical where he moves the needle just isn't based in reality. 

 

You must be a blast at parties.  At ha ha, you follow Bauer on YouTube.

[Stradling]

This isn’t the best thread for this because Cals won’t let it be, but the last season Bauer pitched his FIP was 4.03, and that was with the Dodgers pitching gurus and analytic department. In the Angels rotation that would be good for 6th this coming season. He could be a pitcher that gets stronger as the year goes along and his numbers could have improved. But the last time he pitched, which was 18 months ago, he was basically average. Personally I’d trust him in a big game over Suarez, whomever our 6th starter is and maybe Detmers, but I think he’s severely overrated at this point. Or maybe it’s simply for me the risk isn’t worth the possible reward because I’m unsure the reward is all that much. I say that realizing the financial risk is literally league minimum. The PR risk is big from a perception he’s a bad dude. The PR risk of whatever team signs him must be desperate. The fact that his team mates generally hate him doesn’t help.  
But in Cals scenario, I’d be fine with him for a year for a lifetime of Ohtani. 

[Jay]

13 hours ago, cals said:

(2) An apology could negatively affect the ongoing litigation he has and making another 20-40 million playing for the next 5 years probably pales in comparison to what he stands to gain in these lawsuits.  Frankly, I think that’s the main reason.  

Who is he going to sue that has a lot of money?

[Jay]

Just now, Jay said:

Who is he going to sue that has a lot of money?

Oh I see you are saying he's going to sue MLB and/or Dodgers.

[cals]

35 minutes ago, Jay said:

Oh I see you are saying he's going to sue MLB and/or Dodgers.

I believe he’s also suing The Atlantic.

[Taylor]

18 minutes ago, cals said:

I believe he’s also suing The Atlantic.

He can't win a libel case. You should know that.

[Lou]

1 hour ago, Taylor said:

He can't win a libel case. You should know that.

He's suing them for defamation.

[Taylor]

52 minutes ago, Lou said:

He's suing them for defamation.

Libel is published defamation. Same thing.

[cals]

Notice how Taylor has never sued me for me calling him gay?  Truth is a total defense.

[Taylor]

2 minutes ago, cals said:

Notice how Taylor has never sued me for me calling him gay?  Truth is a total defense.

Is gay an insult still?

[cals]

3 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Is gay an insult still?

My kid just was looking at my phone and says “who’s Taylor?  Is that your boyfriend?!”  So yeah, I think it’s still an insult.

[Taylor]

Just now, cals said:

My kid just was looking at my phone and says “who’s Taylor?  Is that your boyfriend?!”  So yeah, I think it’s still an insult.

Your kid sounds awesome.

He must get his sense of humor from his mother.

[cals]

4 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Your kid sounds awesome.

He must get his sense of humor from his mother.

SHE, dumbass. 

[Taylor]

39 minutes ago, cals said:

SHE, dumbass. 

Damn, I did a sexism.

Your daughter sounds awesome.

[cals]

20 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Damn, I did a sexism.

Your daughter sounds awesome.

She immediately knew you’re a gay.

[Taylor]

8 minutes ago, cals said:

She immediately knew you’re a gay.

It sounds like she was calling you gay.

[cals]

8 minutes ago, Taylor said:

It sounds like she was calling you gay.

I was collateral damage  in her putdown on you.

[Taylor]

2 hours ago, cals said:

I was collateral damage  in her putdown on you.

I actually would argue the opposite. She knows you very well. She doesn't know me from @Adam. She just saw my name and correctly guessed I was a dude, then thought, "My dad seems to have a strange projection complex. I'm going to make a joke implying that he enjoys the company of men."

[jsnpritchett]

Lol. 

 

 

[Taylor]

18 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

Lol. 

 

 

Poor guy is such damaged goods he has to try to reinvent himself in a lesser league.

[cals]

I thought you guys said he’d never pitch again?

[Stradling]

16 minutes ago, cals said:

I thought you guys said he’d never pitch again?

For every guy who said he’d never pitch again there were multiple guys saying some major league team will sign him. 

[Taylor]

24 minutes ago, cals said:

I thought you guys said he’d never pitch again?

No