Thoughts on Trevor Bauer?

[Jay]

15 hours ago, Warfarin said:

 

This is surprising. Somebody could have had Bauer for a bag of chips.

[Dtwncbad]

Maybe the Angels should sign Travis Bauer, the newly discovered identical twin of Trevor Bauer.

And I do hope they find the tragically missing Trevor Bauer.

Edited January 7, 2023 by Dtwncbad

[Blarg]

3 hours ago, Erstad Grit said:

I could be incorrect,  but didn't Matsui own one of the largest porn collections? I remember thinking he was a sicko, but it was none of my business. 

But he hit baseballs and not women so it was cool with MLB. 

[REDneck]

4 hours ago, Dtwncbad said:

No I am sorry but you are just incorrect here.  Legally speaking he IS innocent.  That’s not a moot point at all.

Did you slam down your gavel after typing this?

[Erstad Grit]

47 minutes ago, Blarg said:

But he hit baseballs and not women so it was cool with MLB. 

Yes but much porn is part of sex trafficking so I see some parallels. 

[Docwaukee]

11 hours ago, cals said:

It was rough sex that the woman wanted so she could extort him.  Don’t use inflammatory language.

Boxing is also a “willful and premeditated act of violence”.  That both parties consent to.

C’mon man.

I am playing devil's advocate here cals.  I am using language that 90% of the population who's had eyes on this situation would use.  MLB isn't trying to be fair.  They are managing an optic.  This is not about this one individual incident.  

People hate boxing and football and the mma because they are violent.  Baseball is a shelter from that.  He did something that reminds people of violence.  And because of that you're never going to convince people that he didn't at least do something wrong in this situation.  

Even though the arbitrator shortened the suspension he still upheld it to an unprecedented length of time.  For me, it tells me there's more than what we've been told.  MLB is smart and they have a lot of money which likely means they have pretty good lawyers.  They know Bauer wouldn't be afraid to throw a lawsuit their way in a heartbeat.   Would they have put out such a lengthy and unprecedented suspension if they weren't absolutely sure they had solid grounds to do so?  

In the eyes of the world, Bauer is either a sexual deviant or someone who commits violence against women or both.  

Do you think there's a line between consent for rough sex and expecting to sustain substantial injuries?  Granted it's hard to parse out what level he took it to, but maybe the investigators determined that sure he had consent for some rough stuff but perhaps he took it well beyond what would have been expected.  

There are shades of gray here.  I know you don't believe that.  But it's perfectly reasonable to think that both parties did some fucked up shit.  

[cals]

4 minutes ago, Docwaukee said:

I am playing devil's advocate here cals.  I am using language that 90% of the population who's had eyes on this situation would use.  MLB isn't trying to be fair.  They are managing an optic.  This is not about this one individual incident.  

People hate boxing and football and the mma because they are violent.  Baseball is a shelter from that.  He did something that reminds people of violence.  And because of that you're never going to convince people that he didn't at least do something wrong in this situation.  

Even though the arbitrator shortened the suspension he still upheld it to an unprecedented length of time.  For me, it tells me there's more than what we've been told.  MLB is smart and they have a lot of money which likely means they have pretty good lawyers.  They know Bauer wouldn't be afraid to throw a lawsuit their way in a heartbeat.   Would they have put out such a lengthy and unprecedented suspension if they weren't absolutely sure they had solid grounds to do so?  

In the eyes of the world, Bauer is either a sexual deviant or someone who commits violence against women or both.  

Do you think there's a line between consent for rough sex and expecting to sustain substantial injuries?  Granted it's hard to parse out what level he took it to, but maybe the investigators determined that sure he had consent for some rough stuff but perhaps he took it well beyond what would have been expected.  

There are shades of gray here.  I know you don't believe that.  But it's perfectly reasonable to think that both parties did some fucked up shit.  

I don’t have time to respond to all of that and there are some legal points that need to be made, but she took pictures of herself at Bauers place at the time she said she was already beat up and she was fine.  I don’t think Bauer gave her any of the “injuries” she claimed.  And i don’t think the court or cops thought so either.

[Dtwncbad]

1 hour ago, REDneck said:

Did you slam down your gavel after typing this?

Metaphorically yes, since it is indisputably correct.

[Docwaukee]

1 minute ago, cals said:

I don’t have time to respond to all of that and there are some legal points that need to be made, but she took pictures of herself at Bauers place at the time she said she was already beat up and she was fine.  I don’t think Bauer gave her any of the “injuries” she claimed.  And i don’t think the court or cops thought so either.

right.  I mentioned that in my post that it's hard to parse out exactly what happened in this situation.  She very well could have faked her injuries.  But my point still stands.  MLB's actions aren't based on legal or illegal.  He did something that they felt warranted the suspension and you know damn well they felt it was justified considering the potential ramifications if it's not.  You're talking about a 9 figure lawsuit from Bauer if they're wrong.  

They would absolutely have someone playing the part of Cals on the legal team yet they still proceeded.  Our arguments either way are based on quite a bit of presumption.  Doesn't it make the most sense that we just don't have all the information?  

[Docwaukee]

12 hours ago, yamsi12 said:

No it’s not. Innocence means he didn’t do it. You, me, my neighbor….none of us knows if he’s innocent except for the parties involved which is Bauer and the woman.

I never said he was found innocent.

He was also never found not guilty. The DA decided they didn’t have enough evidence to prosecute. If he had gone to trial and been found not guilty it just means the prosecution didn’t prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed the crime.

legally, you are presumed innocent until proven guilty.  Bauer is legally innocent.    

[cals]

1 minute ago, Docwaukee said:

right.  I mentioned that in my post that it's hard to parse out exactly what happened in this situation.  She very well could have faked her injuries.  But my point still stands.  MLB's actions aren't based on legal or illegal.  He did something that they felt warranted the suspension and you know damn well they felt it was justified considering the potential ramifications if it's not.  You're talking about a 9 figure lawsuit from Bauer if they're wrong.  

They would absolutely have someone playing the part of Cals on the legal team yet they still proceeded.  Our arguments either way are based on quite a bit of presumption.  Doesn't it make the most sense that we just don't have all the information?  

I am not sure but it is possible that Bauer is bound by the arbitrator’s decision as part of the CBA without the ability to appeal further or file a civil action.  If I’m correct then he has no other remedy and you can’t read anything into the arbitration decision other than it immediately reinstated him without forcing the dodgers to pay him back like $60 million dollars.  And as I’ve mentioned before the arbitrator likely “split the baby” to try to keep the players association and the league placated.  

[Dtwncbad]

30 minutes ago, Docwaukee said:

There are shades of gray here.

How many shades?  50?

[Setzer]

Angels signing Bauer gives us a legitimate shot at postseason so I'm all for giving him a 1 year deal.

Can't say I'm a fan of what he chooses to do on his own time, the fact is, he wasn't charged with any crime.

[beatlesrule]

35 minutes ago, Setzer said:

Angels signing Bauer gives us a legitimate shot at postseason so I'm all for giving him a 1 year deal.

Can't say I'm a fan of what he chooses to do on his own time, the fact is, he wasn't charged with any crime.

And his accuser is a flat out liar.

[AngelStew43]

Bauer was investigated by more than one law inforcement agency.  He was not charged with any crimes.  

Law enforcement officers love to bring perpetrators to jail.  He may not have the most savory character, but he wasn't charged with any crimes.  

I think our clubhouse would be strong enough to accept him, especially with Nevin as manager.  

[mmc]

Surprised yes is winning the poll

[Taylor]

26 minutes ago, mmc said:

Surprised yes is winning the poll

Chuck is able to edit the vote totals.

Unless there are "silent Bauer voters."

[Taylor]

A lot of very bad folks are never charged with a crime. That doesn't mean they're Mother Theresa.

[70runner]

The accusation occurred on the Dodgers watch, obviously they had to dump him.  Angels could sign a potential #1 SP for chump change, run a similar Hamilton rehab opportunity cover story, with strict guidelines, et al.  The window is closing on Trout, perhaps Ohtani, I want the Angels to win (and face the Padres in the WS).  Worst case, he flucks up again, they dump him.  Best case, he returns to form, gives Ohtani a run for #1 SP slot and Angels pitching carries them to a WS.  A WS won't happen with the current pitching staff.

[Blarg]

30 minutes ago, Dark Bumpy said:

A lot of very bad folks are never charged with a crime. That doesn't mean they're Mother Theresa.

And a lot of people are set up for extortion either politically or financially, unwittingly. Some criminals have no boundaries to what they are capable of. Gender aside. 

[Dtwncbad]

36 minutes ago, Dark Bumpy said:

A lot of very bad folks are never charged with a crime. That doesn't mean they're Mother Theresa.

[Taylor]

40 minutes ago, Blarg said:

And a lot of people are set up for extortion either politically or financially, unwittingly. Some criminals have no boundaries to what they are capable of. Gender aside. 

Link?

[AngelStew43]

2 hours ago, Dark Bumpy said:

A lot of very bad folks are never charged with a crime. That doesn't mean they're Mother Theresa.

DB, I think I said that. 

[Blarg]

2 hours ago, Dark Bumpy said:

Link?

 

 

[Taylor]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

 

 

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