Shortstop candidates for the Halos

[BTH]

21 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

Does Madrigal have options left? Friend of mine is Cubs fan said they would put him at AAA

Yes

[Stradling]

20 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Madrigal's career walk rate is 5.3%.  Fletcher's is 6.1%. 

 

And if Fletcher was still walking at 6% I’d bitch less. But 3% and 4% the last two years.  

[Inside Pitch]

10 minutes ago, Stradling said:

And if Fletcher was still walking at 6% I’d bitch less. But 3% and 4% the last two years.  

I think everyone would like to see Fletcher walk more, he's posted walk rates as high as 8.4% in a full season.. But if walks is what you want to see out of 2B, Madrigal isn't the guy to hitch your wagon to -- and his OPS+ last year (68), was even worse than Fletcher's (77). 

Both guys were coming back from injuries/surgeries.  

[Docwaukee]

50 minutes ago, Warfarin said:

 

So given these various stats - based on last year’s numbers, it seems that Fletcher rates as above average defensively at short.

If he is able to make some modest, reasonable offensive improvements - perhaps he could be a league average SS?

I not as worried about Fletcher in that I think we've got a decent gauge on him.  Not that I think we can predict what type of year he'll have at the plate but that he'll be at least an above age defensive SS who could be offensively challenged but I think the worst you get is about 1.5 WAR.  Not great but I can live with that over some others.  The problem is the at bats he's not gonna get or what you do if he really really struggles at the plate which is certainly possible.  I would love to believe that Soto could step in and be a solid replacement and he might, I'm just not ready to hand that role off to him yet.  

So even if you don't get a good SS, you need to have someone who you're comfortable with playing the MIF that can give you at least 1-2 wins.  The scenarios in my head are questions with the health of Rondon and Walsh.  Questions of performance from Walsh, Fletcher and even Rengifo.  And the lack of corner OF depth.  Urshela can only be in one place at a time.  If two bad things happen then Rengifo is at 3b or SS and Urshela is at 1b or 3b or Walsh is at 1b or LF.  

So another MIF is critical.  Even if Fletcher does decently.  

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

On 12/12/2022 at 8:05 AM, DMVol said:

Not sure....their best SS prospect is De La Cruz (got him from the M's in the Castillo trade) and I'm not sure they would be willing to deal him....Plus, we have young SS prospects of our own---Neto the best and then maybe Soto---so we might be better off with a short time commitment like Kiner Falefa.....honestly, we probably could use a young OF prospect more than a MIF prospect....

Elvis Andrus on 1 or 2 year deal.

[Stradling]

I just saw this tweet and while it’s about Andrus possibly being a Brave, it shows the stats he put up this year.  I realize he’s another year older but I think with the new rules he could have similar if not better performances in SB.  
 

 

[Chuck]

I also wouldn’t mind signing Segura and Andrus and then trading Rengifo for one of the Marlins young starting pitching studs. Like Edward Guzman or Eury Perez.

[Angel Oracle]

16 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

Madrigal's career walk rate is 5.3%.  Fletcher's is 6.1%. 

 

Here’s what I don’t get.

From 2018-2020, Fletcher walked 7.5% of the time.

From 2021-2022, he walked only 4.2% of the time.

Why did that change significantly for the worse?

[Angel Oracle]

16 hours ago, Docwaukee said:

So even if you don't get a good SS, you need to have someone who you're comfortable with playing the MIF that can give you at least 1-2 wins.  The scenarios in my head are questions with the health of Rondon and Walsh.  Questions of performance from Walsh, Fletcher and even Rengifo.  And the lack of corner OF depth.  Urshela can only be in one place at a time.  If two bad things happen then Rengifo is at 3b or SS and Urshela is at 1b or 3b or Walsh is at 1b or LF. 

Rondons!!!!

[Warfarin]

9 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

I also wouldn’t mind signing Segura and Andrus and then trading Rengifo for one of the Marlins young starting pitching studs. Like Edward Guzman or Eury Perez.

Eury Perez is the #2 ranked prospect in all of baseball, per Fangraphs.

The only way we get him is if the Marlins want Ohtani (not happening), and they ship him to us in a package.  Even then, BTV suggests that Perez's current value outweighs Ohtani's, in terms of trade value.

[Angel Oracle]

17 hours ago, UndertheHalo said:

RipBozos

 

[Angel Oracle]

17 hours ago, Angels 1961 said:

Madrigal has Rendon disease

Also has not been what one expects from a player drafted 4th overall out of Oregon State over 4 years ago.

[Inside Pitch]

7 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Also has not been what one expects from a player drafted 4th overall out of Oregon State over 4 years ago.

Guys who's biggest skill set is the ability to hit for average are always the most volatile.  Its possible he sees a bump with the shift rules, but he's not a power threat and his career walk rate leaves a lot to be desired. 

[AngelsFaninGA]

So I guess we're getting Andrus to bat .180 for us for 100 games before he gets released. 

[BTH]

1 hour ago, Chuckster70 said:

I also wouldn’t mind signing Segura and Andrus and then trading Rengifo for one of the Marlins young starting pitching studs. Like Edward Guzman or Eury Perez.

Eury is untouchable.

Not sure Rengifo fits the Marlins, since they have Berti/Chisholm/Rojas/Wendle at 2B/SS.

But I like the idea of signing Segura and Andrus, then flipping Rengifo.

[Stradling]

14 minutes ago, AngelsFaninGA said:

So I guess we're getting Andrus to bat .180 for us for 100 games before he gets released. 

Yea I’m sure he will just bat 100 points below his career average. 

[jsnpritchett]

5 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Yea I’m sure he will just bat 100 points below his career average. 

*90.

[Stradling]

10 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

*90.

Yes I felt like I was exaggerating to an exaggeration 

[Inside Pitch]

Submitted without commentary.

Steamer projections for FA SS/2B

Andrus - .251/.302/.373 -- 1.9
Segura - .274/.331/.396 -- 2.6

Swanson - .247/.310/415 -- 3.3 (7 years 180 Mil)

[Warfarin]

9 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Submitted without commentary.

Steamer projections for FA SS/2B

Andrus - .251/.302/.373 -- 1.9
Segura - .274/.331/.396 -- 2.6

Swanson - .247/.310/415 -- 3.3 (7 years 180 Mil)

The Steamer tool is fun to play with.  I like the Steamer600 tool in that it projects the value a player would generate if they played a full season.

https://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=c&stats=bat&type=steamer600&team=0&lg=all&players=0 - this is the Steamer projection tool for a full season for catchers (which it assumes is 125 games).  Interestingly - O'Hoppe is rated as the 7th most valuable catcher in baseball, just below Will Smith.  Steamer is very high on O'Hoppe's future.

[Pancake Bear]

3 hours ago, Warfarin said:

The Steamer tool is fun to play with.  I like the Steamer600 tool in that it projects the value a player would generate if they played a full season.

https://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=c&stats=bat&type=steamer600&team=0&lg=all&players=0 - this is the Steamer projection tool for a full season for catchers (which it assumes is 125 games).  Interestingly - O'Hoppe is rated as the 7th most valuable catcher in baseball, just below Will Smith.  Steamer is very high on O'Hoppe's future.

How did they view Marsh and Adell before last season?

[Angel Oracle]

9 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

Guys who's biggest skill set is the ability to hit for average are always the most volatile.  It’s possible he sees a bump with the shift rules, but he's not a power threat and his career walk rate leaves a lot to be desired. 

Madrigal turning out to be another Wil Wilson?

Edited December 19, 2022 by Angel Oracle

[Jason]

13 hours ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

Elvis Andrus on 1 or 2 year deal.

Sure but they wouldn't go longer than that 

[Inside Pitch]

2 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

Madrigal turning out to be another Wil Wilson?

Nah, Wilson is struggling in AA.  Marginal is a MLB player, just very one dimensional offensively.

[Blarg]

37 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Nah, Wilson is struggling in AA.  Marginal is a MLB player, just very one dimensional offensively.

I know spellchecker did this to you but it seems appropriate.