Canning and C. Rodriguez officially shut down for the year

[jsnpritchett]

 

 

[Blarg]

[ten ocho recon scout]

This is like the part in any Married with Children episode where something goes wrong for AL.

You knew it was coming, and still laugh 

Ohtani is our Kelly Bundy

[OhtaniSan]

I was hoping to see Crod and Canning back this year to see what they can do. Both have the ability to be impact pitchers for 2023 

[Taylor]

For some reason I thought they were already declared shut down for the season.

[Chuck]

[Angel Oracle]

The CRod news is really no different.   He was expected to not pitch in actual games this season.

Sounds like he’s progressing as expected.   Will still need to watch the innings pitched in 2023, hopefully building towards some semblance of work load (140 innings?) by 2024?

[ten ocho recon scout]

8 minutes ago, Taylor said:

For some reason I thought they were already declared shut down for the season.

No, that was last season. Or the one before. Or all of them.

[jsnpritchett]

Just now, Angel Oracle said:

The CRod news is really no different.   He was expected to not pitch in actual games this season.

Sounds like he’s progressing as expected.   Will still need to watch the innings pitched in 2023, hopefully building towards some semblance of work load (140 innings?) by 2024?

That would be more than the total he's thrown in the 7 seasons since he was drafted, so might be a little on the high end. 

[Angel Oracle]

1 minute ago, jsnpritchett said:

That would be more than the total he's thrown in the 7 seasons since he was drafted, so might be a little on the high end. 

Maybe, but also remember that Ohtani had only pitched some 80 innings from 2017-2020, yet has thrown 235 innings in the past 1 2/3 seasons.

Thinking a goal limit of around 100 innings for 2023, and then hopefully around 140 innings in 2024, and then 162 innings in 2025?

Having a 6 man rotation and increased upper minors depth helps out.

[Angel Oracle]

Maybe Canning is the one that should be converted to the pen?

[jsnpritchett]

1 minute ago, Angel Oracle said:

Maybe, but also remember that Ohtani had only pitched some 80 innings from 2017-2020, yet has thrown 235 innings in the past 1 2/3 seasons.

Thinking a goal limit of around 100 innings for 2023, and then hopefully around 140 innings in 2024, and then 162 innings in 2025?

Having a 6 man rotation and increased upper minors depth helps out.

Sure, but Ohtani had seasons of 140, 155, and 162 innings before he got hurt.  Rodriguez has not yet shown any ability whatsoever to stay on the field. 

[Angelsjunky]

I just can't muster any positive expectation about CRod. I know he's talented, and he does have his apologists here, but it all sounds like rationalizing what, I fear, should be obvious: He's made of glass.

I mean, this is absurd...pro innings pitched by year:

2016: 11.1 

2017: 57.0

2018: 0

2019: 9.1

2020: 0 (but pitched in camp)

2021: 50.0

2022: 0

That's 127.2 IP in seven seasons. And yet we're supposed to expect that he becomes a major league starter?

Obviously he's too young and talented to give up on, but anything we get out of him, at this point, will be a bonus.

 

[Angel Dog and Beer]

25 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

Ohtani is our Kelly Bundy

Any excuse to post this. 

[UndertheHalo]

Ya ok.  Good. 

[Angelsfan1984]

Nice knowing you canning. I expect nothing different from crod

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

4 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

The CRod news is really no different.   He was expected to not pitch in actual games this season.

Sounds like he’s progressing as expected.   Will still need to watch the innings pitched in 2023, hopefully building towards some semblance of work load (140 innings?) by 2024?

Dude, will never throw as a Starter again! under 100 innings in a season doesn't equate to an effective rotation piece! Unless, the HALOS breakout the NEW MLB 10 man rotation!!!! 

 

Bullpen Bound in 2026!....

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

4 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

I just can't muster any positive expectation about CRod. I know he's talented, and he does have his apologists here, but it all sounds like rationalizing what, I fear, should be obvious: He's made of glass.

I mean, this is absurd...pro innings pitched by year:

2016: 11.1 

2017: 57.0

2018: 0

2019: 9.1

2020: 0 (but pitched in camp)

2021: 50.0

2022: 0

That's 127.2 IP in seven seasons. And yet we're supposed to expect that he becomes a major league starter?

Obviously he's too young and talented to give up on, but anything we get out of him, at this point, will be a bonus.

 

I wouldn't even save CROD's and Cannings spot in any Clubhouse at Any level... Just send them Quarterly Team update flyers in the mail! And invite them to SPT but expect NOTHING, NADDA, Zilch!

[tdawg87]

C-Rod is worth far more than you guys realize.

The injuries are a concern, but I think @Inside Pitch can put them into a better perspective than I can. 

Canning was a health concern when he was drafted, and he's definitely lived up to that. That said, he's still shown moderate success at the MLB level. With 3 years of control left, he'll get another crack at the rotation.

[tdawg87]

You're a fucking idiot, @SlappyUtilityMIF. Just stop. Every take you have is a joke.

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

15 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

C-Rod is worth far more than you guys realize.

The injuries are a concern, but I think @Inside Pitch can put them into a better perspective than I can. 

Canning was a health concern when he was drafted, and he's definitely lived up to that. That said, he's still shown moderate success at the MLB level. With 3 years of control left, he'll get another crack at the rotation.

Only worth anything if you are on the FIELD! 

Same issue this Organization has always had! Oh we have 4 Starting Pitchers coming back NEXT SEASON!!! And then we lose 3 new guys~ 

Next Year Rendon will come back HEALTHY AS EVER!... 

This Organization HAS ALWAYS focused on Tomorrow! Regarding returning players from injuries. Tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow... They have never sat down and said if we bring in others and injured players comeback we now have an area of Strength to Deal from.

[tdawg87]

Excellent take, as always.

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

Just now, tdawg87 said:

You're a fucking idiot, @SlappyUtilityMIF. Just stop. Every take you have is a joke.

Actually, you hate the fact that someone understands a little more than you.

Narcissist much?  

[tdawg87]

4 minutes ago, SlappyUtilityMIF said:

Actually, you hate the fact that someone understands a little more than you.

Narcissist much?  

Whatever you say pal.

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

1 minute ago, tdawg87 said:

Whatever you say pal.