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OC Register: Commissioner Rob Manfred joins talks as MLB, players meet for 5th straight day

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JUPITER, Fla. — Baseball commissioner Rob Manfred entered long-stalled labor negotiations with players on Friday with just over three days until Major League Baseball’s deadline for a deal that would ensure a 162-game season.

After four straight days of largely fruitless negotiating sessions that focused on exchanging proposals in areas of relative minutia, Manfred walked from the offices behind home plate at Roger Dean Stadium to the building in the right field corner that includes the St. Louis Cardinals’ clubhouse, which the players’ association has been using for its caucuses.

Manfred stayed for 20 minutes before returning to where management negotiators have caucused. About 40 minutes after that, an MLB delegation walked over to the players, a group that included New York Yankees managing general partner Hal Steinbrenner, Colorado Rockies CEO Dick Monfort, Deputy Commissioner Dan Halem and Executive Vice President Morgan Sword. The group remained for 20 minutes.

Union head Tony Clark led a delegation of players that included pitchers Max Scherzer, Andrew Miller and Zack Britton from the union’s eight-man executive subcommittee.

On the 86th day of baseball’s ninth work stoppage, its first since 1995, the sides remained far apart on many key economic issues: luxury tax thresholds and rates, the minimum salary and the size of a bonus pool for pre-arbitration players.

The union offered a pair of new proposals Thursday, making small changes to its plan for a lottery to determine the first seven picks in the amateur draft and to its formula for top young players to get credit for additional major league service. Teams say they will never agree to the additional service time, which could lead to earlier free agency.

The union wants to increase arbitration eligibility and to decrease revenue sharing, concepts management says it will never accept.

MLB maintains Monday is the last day to reach an agreement that would allow openers to take place as scheduled on March 31.

Players have not accepted Monday as a deadline and have suggested any missed games could be made up as part of doubleheaders, a method MLB said it will not agree to.

Once Monday passes, the length of the schedule would become yet another issue in the dispute along with possible lost pay and service time.

The union told MLB if games are missed and salaries are lost, clubs should not expect players to agree to management’s proposals to expand the postseason and to allow advertisements on uniforms and helmets.

Spring training workouts were to have started on Feb. 16. Exhibition games were to have started Saturday but already have been canceled through March 4.

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The issues are being represented as  existentential, and each side feels any major compromise will cause severe, long term damage to the game. As seen through the filter of their own self interest. But there will be a compromise of sorts in the end. Maybe forget a long term deal and just experiment with a two year arrangement in which each side gets something they want. And keep negotiating behind the scenes. They all want long term security, but the minute a deal is signed the complaining begins all over again. 

"Baseball labor peace" is mostly an illusion anyways because each side is always aggressively pushing for advantageous changes. For years baseball has had the most acrimonious relationship between players and owners. The patience of fans has been tested over and over. Forget trying for perfection in a deal. Just work short term and keep adapting pragmatically every couple of years. 

 

 

 

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18 hours ago, Lou said:

What exactly can Manfred do?

Prior to becoming commissioner, he represented MLB in negotiations with the MLBPA when forming new collective bargaining agreements in 2002, 2006 and 2011. He's a labor attorney. You'd think he'd be more involved. 

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2 minutes ago, True Grich said:

Prior to becoming commissioner, he represented MLB in negotiations with the MLBPA when forming new collective bargaining agreements in 2002, 2006 and 2011. He's a labor attorney. You'd think he'd be more involved. 

He works for the owners. He's biased. Do you think the MLBPA is going to listen to him?

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27 minutes ago, Lou said:

He works for the owners. He's biased. Do you think the MLBPA is going to listen to him?

I don't know. He negotiated with them previously. 

I guess it depends on what he has to say. 

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