Angels tender Raisel Iglesias the QO (Iglesias rejects)

[totdprods]

3 minutes ago, GoodTimesGoneBad said:

I hope he takes the QO. Let’s say he is on the verge of 4/48, even if he slips a bit he’ll probably still get at least 3/30 which would put him at even money. If he does well next year he won’t be tied to a pick and could really clean up. 

I hope he doesn't. That's a big chunk of '22 money. 

I'm hoping/expecting something like a 4/$64m, backloaded where it's something like $10m, $14m, $20m, $20m. 

Allows for a little more '22 spending. Stupid money near the end, but by '24 and '25, closers might be making $20m AAV anyways given the way Chapman, Kimbrel, and Hendricks have been paid.

[Erstad Grit]

I would imagine by this time Iglesias has a fairly good idea what he'd get as a FA. I'm sure he'll have several offers with multiple years. but doubt on any offer has a year one for more than 18 million. Time for him to make a decision. 

Edited November 17, 2021 by Erstad Grit

[Erstad Grit]

4 hr countdown for QO to be accepted or rejected

[Tank]

On 11/11/2021 at 10:27 PM, Tank said:

Read into this what you will, but I’m having lunch at Taco Bell on Friday.

Thats all I’m at liberty to disclose right now.

hi everyone.

[angelsnationtalk]

Honestly surprised by not hearing any news yet on Iglesias accepting or rejecting the QO yet. Didn't think it'd take all the way till the deadline. 

Maybe they'll suddenly announce a 3yr/$45M deal. 

[ten ocho recon scout]

25 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

Honestly surprised by not hearing any news yet on Iglesias accepting or rejecting the QO yet. Didn't think it'd take all the way till the deadline. 

Maybe they'll suddenly announce a 3yr/$45M deal. 

@Tank? Anything?

[Taylor]

2 hours ago, Erstad Grit said:

4 hr countdown for QO to be accepted or rejected

If he doesn't respond, is that automatically a rejection?

[Taylor]

1 hour ago, Tank said:

hi everyone.

I'll see you there.

[mmc]

 

[totdprods]

Good, probably best outcome for all. 

1/$18m would've been a lot for the Angels in '22. Iglesias should get a solid multi-year deal. Hope the Angels still work something out.

[Torridd]

4 minutes ago, mmc said:

 

So what are our odds of re-signing him? I'd really like him to come back. I hope that since we got Synde we won't try to keep him.

[UndertheHalo]

I don’t care that he rejected the QO but I’d like to emphasize that I think the bow tie sucks.  I think he’s a tiny bitch baby.  Ok.  Nothing else to add on this for now.  

Edited November 17, 2021 by UndertheHalo

[totdprods]

Could be indicative of nothing, but the fact the rejection came so close to deadline could mean he's been considering offers, sort of like how Syndergaard moved fast.

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

22 minutes ago, totdprods said:

Could be indicative of nothing, but the fact the rejection came so close to deadline could mean he's been considering offers, sort of like how Syndergaard moved fast.

Could just be posturing as well. He would really like a multi year deal. So, if talks broke down he would be stuck if he accepted it. It's just part of the negotiations. At least now, he rejected it. And that puts a lil fire under the FO if they decide to continue a multi year deal or walk away for another opportunity... Or, he may be in talks with others as well. 

Until he is signed with someone else, I believe the opportunity is still there. On the Halos side 18M is a little crazy for a closer... When depending on other starters acquired you could deal from an area of strength and trade for a Hader $10M maybe and sign a Graveman and Loup for a total of 18M?

I could see the Dodgers rolling in and throwing serious cashe' at him! Jansen has been rode hard!

[ThisismineScios]

I think he knows what the Angels long-term offer is (they probably offered him weeks ago), but wanted to see the AAV of other teams' offers before rejecting. If everything was hovering around 11-13, he could accept and then make up the difference next year. The fact that he rejected obviously means he has offers close enough to $18 to make it worth rejecting. Just hope he gives the Angels a chance to match if another team comes in strong. 

[failos]

Too bad. 

[WicketMaiden]

23 minutes ago, SlappyUtilityMIF said:

... Or, he may be in talks with others as well. 

Until he is signed with someone else I believe the opportunity is still there. On the Halos side 18M is a little crazy for a closer... When depending on other starters acquired you could deal from an area of strength and trade for a Hader $10M maybe and sign a Graveman and Loup for 18M?

He's the top reliever on the FA market, if he hasn't got at least three multi-year deals on the table I'd be very surprised. And I'd bet all of them have a guarantee of a lot more than double the value of the QO too.

I'd rather trade for a closer than overpay for Raisel, he's going to land a big contract and we need that money elsewhere.

[Erstad Grit]

I was fine if he accepted.

I still think thought instead of a long term deal I might prefer adding 2-3 really nice BP pieces instead.

Maybe Melancon and two of Graveman, Tepera, knebel, Chafin or Loup

 

 

[Angel Oracle]

5 hours ago, totdprods said:

I hope he doesn't. That's a big chunk of '22 money. 

I'm hoping/expecting something like a 4/$64m, backloaded where it's something like $10m, $14m, $20m, $20m. 

Allows for a little more '22 spending. Stupid money near the end, but by '24 and '25, closers might be making $20m AAV anyways given the way Chapman, Kimbrel, and Hendricks have been paid.

I’d prefer 3 years/$50 million backloaded with team option 4th year.

[Deek]

So the draft pick for Thor is basically a push... Maybe the Angels had an idea of Iglesias' intentions...

[Angelsfan1984]

Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised to see angels sign him to a 2+1 for 3/40 with a 1m buyout. He’s exactly what the team needs anchoring the BP. 

[Torridd]

1 hour ago, Erstad Grit said:

I was fine if he accepted.

I still think thought instead of a long term deal I might prefer adding 2-3 really nice BP pieces instead.

Maybe Melancon and two of Graveman, Tepera, knebel, Chafin or Loup

 

 

I think it would be simplest to re-sign him and not have to worry about finding another closer.

[ScruffytheJanitor]

8 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

I’d prefer 3 years/$50 million backloaded with team option 4th year.

Probably not getting a team option for the best FA reliever-- who was also (arguably) the best reliever last year. 

[ScruffytheJanitor]

1 minute ago, Torridd said:

I think it would be simplest to re-sign him and not have to worry about finding another closer.

Agreed -- especially since I think we can get some decent depth in Free Agency and via trade. Even ignoring the possible closers like McHugh, Jansen, and Melancon, guys like Brooks Raley, Yimi Garcia, Andrew Chaffin, and even Hector Neris (whom I don't expect to be a closer going forward) should all be gettable without breaking the bank. All of them would be MASSIVE upgrades over what we were tossing out for most of the year. 

[Duren, Duren]

He's gone. His 2021 season infatuated any number of teams who think that he can be the missing ingredient to their team. Accept it and move on. Many relievers are notoriously inconsistent. Not to say that he won't be good, but age, wear and tear and past up and down seasons could be factors. 

The same money can be shrewdly divided between a couple of good relievers. Graveman, Loup, Garcia, Meloncon are veteran options. And there are other guys under the radar for various reasons. In this case, quantity and competition may work out in spring training to find the right mix. 

And if the starting pitching is further upgraded, it takes the pressure off relievers. You still need a good closer, but with bigger leads going into the late innings, fewer games will require the closer to save games. 

Stroman is my top priority still. Iglesias at a good three year price would also work, but you can't overpay and sacrifice other needs.