Official 2021-22 Hot Stove League Thread.

[UndertheHalo]

5 minutes ago, Stradling said:

If Noah is anything near what he was pre injury then we upgraded.  Ohtani another year removed from surgery will be as good. A healthy Sandoval should be a plus. We will be decent not great. Not a 90-100 loss team. 

We could be quite good.  It’s always a possibility.  The issue here, as I know you know.  Is failure to really take a big leap forward and get rid of a lot of uncertainty.  They still have time to not completely fucking blow it.  But it is starting to look bad. 

Edited November 30, 2021 by UndertheHalo

[bloodbrother]

7 minutes ago, HanfordGuy said:

 

Jays had a fantastic offseason and then had Vlad Jr finally put it all together and still missed the playoffs. Ouch

[Angel Oracle]

5 minutes ago, totdprods said:

Obviously we haven't been able to do this for much of the last decade, and it's counterintuitive after the work done by Eppler, but instead of annually pinning hopes on signing 2-3 FAs each year who will cost a ton of money and commitment, and usually don't work out, let's roll the dice and swing some trades - at least one with huge impact - and immediately turn the dollars we'd be blowing in FA towards a focus on drafting, developing, amateur free agents, while enjoying a more flexible MLB payroll in the meantime. 

Arte hasn’t ever done that though, correct?    What would convince him to finally do it?

[HanfordGuy]

@Chuckster70

[HanfordGuy]

 

[HanfordGuy]

 

[totdprods]

6 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Arte hasn’t ever done that though, correct?    What would convince him to finally do it?

Fucking beats me. Maybe if Perry lays out the plan correctly it'll get through to him. 

Could be Eppler wasn't able to even pitch a plan like that because he knew he couldn't trade everyone away. And Dipoto sure as shit wouldn't try that because he traded everyone away.

Maybe if Perry goes in and says "We're making hella trades to shore up this team and keep payroll flexible, but we won't have a farm and we'll be right back to 2015 unless we do X, Y, and Z" Arte will have the wherewithal now to see "Oh, shit, you're right"

Ideally, eventually, somehow he has some sort of epiphany seeing his lack of investment in the farm and continued failed pursuits of FA that he sees the light. It's hard to get to where he's gotten in life without having some sense. 

Edited November 30, 2021 by totdprods

[Inside Pitch]

Just now, Stradling said:

If Noah is anything near what he was pre injury then we upgraded.  Ohtani another year removed from surgery will be as good. A healthy Sandoval should be a plus. We will be decent not great. Not a 90-100 loss team. 

"If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, wouldn't it be a Merry Christmas?" -- Don Meredith

They didn't lose 90-100 games last year with all the shit that went down, but the Angels are 35+ mil into their offseason and their stated area of need has been primarily answered by two guys that can't be really talked about without first saying IF.

 

 

 

 

 

[Stradling]

10 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

We could be quite good.  It’s always a possibility.  The issue here, as I know you know.  Is failure to really take a big leap forward and get rid of a lot of uncertainty.  They still have time to not completely fucking blow it.  But it is starting to look bad. 

Sure but his claim of us being a 100 loss team is nonsense. 

[Stradling]

10 minutes ago, HanfordGuy said:

@Chuckster70

Christmas is when Angels1961 self bans tonight. 

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

"If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, wouldn't it be a Merry Christmas?" -- Don Meredith

They didn't lose 90-100 games last year with all the shit that went down, but the Angels are 35+ mil into their offseason and their stated area of need has been primarily answered by two guys that can't be really talked about without first saying IF.

 

 

 

 

 

Right.  I know.  

[UndertheHalo]

2 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Sure but his claim of us being a 100 loss team is nonsense. 

It is

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

15 minutes ago, eligrba said:

Signing Iglesius and locking up Ohtani long term would make sense at this point.

If they don't do something Ohtani is as good as gonzo!

[UndertheHalo]

1 minute ago, SlappyUtilityMIF said:

If they don't do something Ohtani is as good as gonzo!

Imagine Arte losing that cash cow.  Lol 

[UndertheHalo]

Playing buttercup on loop the entire ride home.  As is natural and correct 

[HanfordGuy]

 

[UndertheHalo]

Yes it should 

[tdawg87]

16 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Christmas is when Angels1961 self bans tonight. 

Eh. I'm assuming he's someone's alt account but he's harmless. 

Like if the spirit of Troll Daddy possessed AO.

[HanfordGuy]

 

[HanfordGuy]

Perry on free agency…

[tdawg87]

Even after today's shenanigans, the Angels are still 2nd in the AL West in WS betting odds. If that means anything.

https://www.betonline.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/mlb-futures/world-series

[Second Base]

You guys are going to love this. Talking to a friend that works in a front office (and has been promoted, wooo!) He says their brain trust insists the Angels have made repeated contact with Kershaw's representation, and that it's personal between Moreno and the Dodgers. They also said there's zero percent chance of that happening because Kershaw reportedly does not want to play for the Angels at all.

I thought you guys would find that entertaining. 

[totdprods]

Kinda curious to see what market there is for Correa. Do the Dodgers call? Tigers seem iffy spending that kind of dough, as do the Yankees.

Offer him 1/$35m and let him re-enter market next year, fuggit.

[UndertheHalo]

Someone tell Arturo that he has the power to bring Marcus Stroman to the big A. 

[Angels 1961]

8 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Eh. I'm assuming he's someone's alt account but he's harmless. 

Like if the spirit of Troll Daddy possessed AO.

less than 5 hours

1 hour ago, AngelStew43 said:

I wanted Max, but not at 43.33 million per season.  

 Oh, and sign one of Iglesias or Knebel to close.  

I feel a lot better about our starters with Thor and Lorenzen on board.  IIRC, both are either on the right side of 30, or just over it, which is a plus. 

Rotation:

Thor, Ohtani, Sandoval, Canning, Suarez, Lorenzen, with Barria in place as a long man/spot starter, and Detmers in SLC waiting in reserve in case of injury.  

 

Build a bullpen add low end starter Greinke, Cobb, Duffy etc. Strong bullpen is the way.