Should the Angels re-sign Cobb?

[wopphil]

Cobb should be a high priority. Yes he is a health and performance risk, but if he wasn’t, he would cost Scherzer money. 

[Vlad27Trout27]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

I don’t think they will spend that much money.  If they resign Iglesias you are probably already looking at Cobb and while you may not be at your limit you are getting close.  Those two combined will get $25 million.  So then add a short stop, a back up catcher and a handful of useful pen arms and you are quickly at around $40 million.  

Most likely not, but I also feel like we are also at the spot, with young Talent coming up and helping (Sandy,Masrh,Adell.etc) that now is the time for Arte to to go for it! I also think we need to do this to take that next step. Either Arte needs to spen his money carefully (Pujols, Hamilton, Rendon) or take a chance and I feel like this could be a  perfect spot..

[Vlad27Trout27]

35 minutes ago, wopphil said:

Cobb should be a high priority. Yes he is a health and performance risk, but if he wasn’t, he would cost Scherzer money. 

Bingo! and his price tag won't be high at all. I'm thinking around 7-8 mil

 

[BTH]

Like with all free agent signings, it comes down to the money.

The highest AAV for Cobb I'd go is like $12M, and I wouldn't go past 2 years.

If Cobb wants an AAV of like $14M-$15M, they'd be better off putting that money towards a better pitcher.

Whether it's a proven veteran like Scherzer, Greinke, or Kershaw on a short-term deal or a younger pitcher like Stroman, Ray, or Gausman on a long-term deal.

[Jay]

I like Cobb, keep him around.

 

 

[HanfordGuy]

There is no value or upside in resigning Cobb. His age, performance and health history don’t warrant an 8 figure multi year salary. He was a nice pickup for Jones but unless Cobb is willing to give the Angels a discount for remaining with the Halos, I think he’s better off getting top dollar with another team.

[Stradling]

I don’t really think Cobb is getting a multi year offer.  Since 2015 he’s had 3 healthy seasons and one was last years shortened season.  

[tchula]

I think Cobb will resign for something like 2 year $20 million, and I would be OK with that.  No matter the price tag, I hope he have a club option for anything beyond 1 year.  If we do bring in Cobb, I think we need to bring in or trade for someone else.  

[Second Base]

As long as you know what you're buying, yes, re-up him. 

- You're not buying an ace. So the money shouldn't be ace money. 

- You're not buying an inning eater, he gets injured too often to be expected to go more than 140 innings. 

- He isn't a long-term investment. He's 33 and looks like he probably has two years left in the tank. 

Ok, so what is he then?

He's a short term investment to stabilize the rotation. Canning, Sandoval, Ohtani, Suarez, Barria, Rodriguez and Detmers is a dynamic group of starters. They're also young and unproven, and have an injury history. 

So then the question is, how much is that stabilization Cobb provides worth? I would argue there are several available substitutes for his services in free agency. But he is a leader, and when he's on the mound, he's pretty solid. 

The Angels spent 8 million on Quintana, and 11 million on the likes of Harvey and Cahill. They spent just over 4 million on Cobb this year with Baltimore covering much of the remaining money. 

I would offer Cobb 1/8 with a mutual option that could make this deal 2/16. That's it. 

[Stax]

With Cobb, what I am afraid of is another Bundy. Good first year bad second year.

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

19 hours ago, TheLordofOuts said:

Resign Cobb and add Scherzer = instant contender

Signing Scherzer is not going to happen. We missed on Cole and luckily also missed on Bauer. I'm tired of thinking that top starters will sign with us until we at least make the playoffs once first..

[Angel Oracle]

19 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

I'm a Robbie Ray fan but that asshat may Cy Young his was out of the Angels price range.  But check his month to month splits.... Dude has gotten better throughout the year.  The guy I think will end up being someone's mistake is Gausman.  His second half has been kind of ugly.  Not sure if its a luck thing but he's getting slapped around a little bit.

More importantly yes...  The defense needs to be fixed.

Gausman first 18 starts:

1.73 ERA, 0.83 WHIP, 5.6 hits/9 innings, 6 1/3 innings/start 

Gausman last 12 starts:

4.77 ERA, 1.45 WHIP, 10.2 hits/9 innings, 5 innings/start 

Sadly, DeSclafani is in the same boat.

First 18 starts:

2.68 ERA, 1.00 WHIP, 6.6 hits/9 innings, 6 innings/start

Last 10 starts:

4.57 ERA, 1.33 WHIP, 9.6 hits/9 innings, 4.5 innings/start 

Edited September 17, 2021 by Angel Oracle

[Tank]

i'd sign cobb to a two-year deal with a mutual option for a third year, roughly 10-12 mil per year.

[T.G.]

Just now, Tank said:

i'd sign cobb to a two-year deal with a mutual option for a third year, roughly 10-12 mil per year.

I had no idea you had that kind of money.  You should move out of Glendale.  You could live in South Pasadena instead.

[Tank]

2 minutes ago, True Grich said:

I had no idea you had that kind of money.  You should move out of Glendale.  You could live in South Pasadena instead.

yep. i don't really like to talk about it much.

we're quietly putting together a pretty decent team. the tanks are gonna surprise a lot of people.

[Inside Pitch]

45 minutes ago, True Grich said:

I had no idea you had that kind of money.  You should move out of Glendale.  You could live in South Pasadena instead.

You would have had you attended luncheon with Tank.

 

[T.G.]

4 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

You would have had you attended luncheon with Tank.

 

[Jay]

Look, the Angels will probably suck anyway. So we might as well have a good guy like Cobb on the team.

 

[HaloBronco]

I voted yes on bringing back Cobb, they need to resign Raisel Iglesias, We need a SS and a backup Catcher and a couple of dependable set up arms in the pen. 

If they can do that this off season and avoid major injuries they should contend. 

[beatlesrule]

Cobb

12:48

Do/can angels give Cobb a QO or did he get one prior to his current contract?

 

Mark P

12:48

Cobb has already received a QO in the past

[Stradling]

Haha. A QO for Cobb.  No thank you.  

[WicketMaiden]

35 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Haha. A QO for Cobb.  No thank you.  

Luckily it can't happen anyway, he turned down the 17m QO from the Rays in 2017 and got 4/57m from the Orioles. Players can't be offered a QO twice under the rules. I think that's what @beatlesrule's post was getting at.

He is probably worth 2/24 to 3/33, maybe more on the open market as good pitching is really expensive, but as much as I'd be happy to see him back I'm not sure he's worth that much to the Angels considering the other needs and budget. 

[Stradling]

Just now, WicketMaiden said:

Luckily it can't happen anyway, he turned down the 17m QO from the Rays in 2017 and got 4/57m from the Orioles. Players can't be offered a QO twice under the rules. I think that's what @beatlesrule's post was getting at.

He is probably worth 2/24 to 3/33, maybe more on the open market as good pitching is really expensive, but as much as I'd be happy to see him back I'm not sure he's worth that much to the Angels considering the other needs and budget. 

I know but there is zero chance the Angels would offer Cobb a QO even if they could.  Like you said he’s a $10-11 million pitcher on the open market, maybe.  He’s also a pitcher that a team would pass on if it cost them a draft pick.  So why would anyone offer him a QO? 

[Angel Oracle]

[Tank]

On 9/18/2021 at 10:11 AM, WicketMaiden said:

Luckily it can't happen anyway, he turned down the 17m QO from the Rays in 2017 and got 4/57m from the Orioles. Players can't be offered a QO twice under the rules. I think that's what @beatlesrule's post was getting at.

He is probably worth 2/24 to 3/33, maybe more on the open market as good pitching is really expensive, but as much as I'd be happy to see him back I'm not sure he's worth that much to the Angels considering the other needs and budget. 

That’s a lot of quid, mate.