Angels place Upton on the 10-day IL, recall Kean Wong

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[jsnpritchett]

I thought Wong was already up. Ha ha.  Dude has been called up and sent down about 100 times this year. 

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, jsnpritchett said:

I thought Wong was already up.

Meh.

[Taylor]

4 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

I thought Wong was already up. Ha ha.  Dude has been called up and sent down about 100 times this year. 

Wong wrong.

[Chuck]

Another solid campaign for Justin Upton. 

[jsnpritchett]

13 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Another solid campaign for Justin Upton. 

Since the beginning of 2019, he's hit .211/.299/.414 with -1.9 bWAR in 194 games.  Disastrous. 

[Stradling]

Upton was not good this year.  Yet he was 5% better offensively than Fletcher. 

[jsnpritchett]

40 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

I thought Wong was already up. Ha ha.  Dude has been called up and sent down about 100 times this year. 

 

[tdawg87]

26 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Upton was not good this year.  Yet he was 5% better offensively than Fletcher. 

I don't think this is fair, or true. Upton is a power hitter, so naturally his SLG is going to be higher than Fletcher's. In every other facet he has been worse.

[Stradling]

Just now, tdawg87 said:

I don't think this is fair, or true. Upton is a power hitter, so naturally his SLG is going to be higher than Fletcher's. In every other facet he has been worse.

I like OPS+ to judge offense.  In my mind the only argument would be amount of games played. In which case Fletcher has been a MUCH bigger contributor offensively.  Obviously this is more about how we over value Fletcher offensively.  

[Stradling]

Also Fletcher simply needs to take the walks offered to him to increase his OPS, rather than swing at every pitch from his knees to his neck.  

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

I like OPS+ to judge offense.  In my mind the only argument would be amount of games played. In which case Fletcher has been a MUCH bigger contributor offensively.  Obviously this is more about how we over value Fletcher offensively.  

OPS+ is fine, but you can't just use it in a vaccuum. 

Ichiro's career OPS+ is 107. Upton's is 118. Is Upton a better hitter than Ichiro was?

[Tank]

35 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Upton was not good this year.  Yet he was 5% better offensively than Fletcher. 

How can this possibly be true? Fletcher is on base often while Upton can’t play longer than a week at a time without getting hurt. If this is weighted because of Uptons power, then that seems to be an unrealistic measure of their contributions.

[tdawg87]

5 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Also Fletcher simply needs to take the walks offered to him to increase his OPS, rather than swing at every pitch from his knees to his neck.  

That will likely increase his strikeout rate. The reason he has value as a hitter is because he puts the ball in play. 

Eckstein is a pretty good comp for Fletcher.

[tdawg87]

Although I agree Fletcher has been a bit too aggressive this year. He showed in the past few years that he can at least walk a bit more while still not K'ing so much.

[greginpsca]

Upton just might be taking the rest of the season off?

[Stradling]

33 minutes ago, Tank said:

How can this possibly be true? Fletcher is on base often while Upton can’t play longer than a week at a time without getting hurt. If this is weighted because of Uptons power, then that seems to be an unrealistic measure of their contributions.

Because Upton drives the ball, hits homers and doubles.  His slugging is 50+ points higher than Fletcher’s, while his OBP is only 25 points less. 

[T.G.]

Strad is a John Carpino asset.

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, True Grich said:

Strad is a John Carpino asset.

No, I am disappointed by Upton, but bottom line is we as a fan base thinks one guy sucks offensively and we hold the other guy in very high regard.   

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

58 minutes ago, greginpsca said:

Upton just might be taking the rest of the season off?

next year too, to bad Eppler gave him the extra year...

Edited September 5, 2021 by Ace-Of-Diamonds

[greginpsca]

Just now, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

next year too

hopefully.

[jsnpritchett]

1 hour ago, Tank said:

How can this possibly be true? Fletcher is on base often while Upton can’t play longer than a week at a time without getting hurt. If this is weighted because of Uptons power, then that seems to be an unrealistic measure of their contributions.

The average MLB slugging % this year is .409.  The average OBP is .316.  So, yeah, I guess you could say that OPS+ is "weighted" more towards slugging, since slugging will almost always be higher than OBP.  OPS+ is a blunt tool.

[Inside Pitch]

2 hours ago, Stradling said:

Upton was not good this year.  Yet he was 5% better offensively than Fletcher. 

His swing has looked stiff and anything but loose since coming back...  I doubt he's been 100%.  As streaky as he is when healthy, having him play through a back injury is probably not the best.

[tdawg87]

I haven't seen anyone call him Melvin in a while. Either AW is slipping or it's getting better.

[Stradling]

Just now, tdawg87 said:

I haven't seen anyone call him Melvin in a while. Either AW is slipping or it's getting better.

The idiots were banned.