Giants claim Jose Quintana off waivers, Angels recall Kean Wong

[Inside Pitch]

1 hour ago, mmc said:

Fully expecting Quintana to be a good starter there with their knack for fixing starting pitching

To be fair, any team that can actually field ground balls will see improvement.  The rest will be done by their home park.  0.833 HR index compared to Angel Stadium's 1.249

[T.G.]

57 minutes ago, Capital_Dave said:

Well, yes, but from a pure business perspective this is such a huge win for the Angels.  They're no longer responsible for a pro-rated portion of the contract.  29/162 games = 17.9% = $1.43 million in savings.  Notwithstanding that the owner is a billionaire, that's not nothing in a baseball business' bottom line.

 

57 minutes ago, DMVol said:

Quintana is of zero value to the is team right now....A month left in the season, why not let the Giants pay his salary?  AAA season is over next week, I think....in this lost season, any AAA guy helps you as much as Quintana, and is a whole lot cheaper.....at this point, losing a few more games just helps your draft status for next year....not advocating tanking but winning in the last month is less important than letting the young guys play, that's all that matters.

 

26 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

Who gives a shit? The Angels have been outscored by about 70 runs this year even with these guys.  They're 10.5 games out of the second wild card.  Do you really care if they end up 20 games out instead of 9? Just let young guys get some time and see what you have going into next season.

My point is in dropping too many guys... not specifically Quintana.  Letting "young guys get some time" comes with risk. If they fail and you don't have any more depth - you're kind of screwed.  They also suffer because there's no where for them to go... because there isn't enough depth on the 40 man roster.

Edited August 30, 2021 by True Grich

[Lou]

1 hour ago, mmc said:

Interesting comment

 

Clubhouse Presence!

[Docwaukee]

15 minutes ago, True Grich said:

 

 

My point is in dropping too many guys... not specifically Quintana.  Letting "young guys get some time" comes with risk. If they fail and you don't have any more depth - you're kind of screwed.  They also suffer because there's no where for them to go... because there isn't enough depth on the 40 man roster.

3rd level of depth or 9th level of depth.  does it really matter at this point?

[T.G.]

2 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

3rd level of depth or 9th level of depth.  does it really matter at this point?

If it impacts a young player's overall development... then.... Yes.

[mmc]

1 minute ago, True Grich said:

If it impacts a young player's overall development... then.... Yes.

There's a month left in the season, is that seriously enough time to derail anything?

[Docwaukee]

1 minute ago, True Grich said:

If it impacts a young player's overall development... then.... Yes.

we have no idea whether a vet might have a positive or negative impact on a rookie.  good players.  guys with talent seem to survive.  

[T.G.]

Just now, Dochalo said:

we have no idea whether a vet might have a positive or negative impact on a rookie.  good players.  guys with talent seem to survive.  

I think you all are missing my point... I don't care if the Angels cut a bunch of guys - but there is a residual impact to all of that.  You have to replace them with someone and if those guys are prospects who fail - that might be harmful to their overall development.  Maybe not.  I don't know.  I'm just throwing it out there.  Some guys come up, get shelled (pitchers) or struggle at the plate and get sent back down... but that becomes problematic if you start releasing guys from the 40 man roster because you have to keep dipping into your farm system and you could call up someone before they're ready.

I've spent way too much time on this.... so, that's all I have to say about this topic.

[AngelStew43]

Two questions, then.  1.  Are we going to activate the two pitchers from the Covid 19 list? 

                                     2.  Do we claim someone else that has been DFA'd to take the roster spot?
 

[Lou]

16 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

guys with talent seem to survive

We should sign more of these players.

[Lou]

2 hours ago, Capital_Dave said:

It really would be something if the only member of the Angels roster to end the season with a World Series ring is... Jose Quintana.

I hope so.

[tdawg87]

7 minutes ago, Lou said:

We should sign more of these players.

Arte:

[T.G.]

11 minutes ago, Lou said:

We should sign more of these players.

You'd think the minor leaguers who get called up would perform at a high level so that they wouldn't have to go back to eating at Taco Bell and sleeping next to the oven in the kitchen, battling it  out with cockroaches.

[Docwaukee]

26 minutes ago, True Grich said:

I think you all are missing my point... I don't care if the Angels cut a bunch of guys - but there is a residual impact to all of that.  You have to replace them with someone and if those guys are prospects who fail - that might be harmful to their overall development.  Maybe not.  I don't know.  I'm just throwing it out there.  Some guys come up, get shelled (pitchers) or struggle at the plate and get sent back down... but that becomes problematic if you start releasing guys from the 40 man roster because you have to keep dipping into your farm system and you could call up someone before they're ready.

I've spent way too much time on this.... so, that's all I have to say about this topic.

I don't think I am missing the point.  They won't release too many guys.  Teams rebuild and make sure they don't damage their younger players as a result.  I just can't imagine Maddon leaving in a young pitcher beyond a certain pitch count because 'there was no one else'.  It'll just go from old guys who suck to new guys who suck.  

[T.G.]

2 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

I don't think I am missing the point.  They won't release too many guys.  Teams rebuild and make sure they don't damage their younger players as a result.  I just can't imagine Maddon leaving in a young pitcher beyond a certain pitch count because 'there was no one else'.  It'll just go from old guys who suck to new guys who suck.  

I agree.

But some are advocating for the release of anywhere from 3-5 additional guys.

Wait... I said I was done with this.  Crap.

[Docwaukee]

Just now, True Grich said:

I agree.

But some are advocating for the release of anywhere from 3-5 additional guys.

Wait... I said I was done with this.  Crap.

and if we release those guys we'll see a few others that most have never heard of to make sure that the new guys have new guy back up instead of old guy back up.  And the most we'll see any of them is for about 10 innings.  

[T.G.]

1 minute ago, Dochalo said:

and if we release those guys we'll see a few others that most have never heard of to make sure that the new guys have new guy back up instead of old guy back up.  And the most we'll see any of them is for about 10 innings.  

[Docwaukee]

3 minutes ago, True Grich said:

I thought you forrest gumped out.  

that's all I have to say about that.  

[T.G.]

2 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

I thought you forrest gumped out.  

that's all I have to say about that.  

[Docwaukee]

8 minutes ago, True Grich said:

[jsnpritchett]

54 minutes ago, True Grich said:

I think you all are missing my point... I don't care if the Angels cut a bunch of guys - but there is a residual impact to all of that.  You have to replace them with someone and if those guys are prospects who fail - that might be harmful to their overall development.  Maybe not.  I don't know.  I'm just throwing it out there.  Some guys come up, get shelled (pitchers) or struggle at the plate and get sent back down... but that becomes problematic if you start releasing guys from the 40 man roster because you have to keep dipping into your farm system and you could call up someone before they're ready.

I've spent way too much time on this.... so, that's all I have to say about this topic.

If at least 3 people are "missing your point," the problem generally isn't with those 3 people. 

[T.G.]

10 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

If at least 3 people are "missing your point," the problem generally isn't with those 3 people. 

This is AW. "Generally" doesn't apply.

Edited August 30, 2021 by True Grich

[mmc]

 

[Angel Oracle]

39 minutes ago, True Grich said:

You'd think the minor leaguers who get called up would perform at a high level so that they wouldn't have to go back to eating at Taco Bell and sleeping next to the oven in the kitchen, battling it  out with cockroaches.

No truth to the rumor that La Cucaracha will become the 7th inning stretch song in the minors

[T.G.]

Just now, Angel Oracle said:

No truth to the rumor that La Cucaracha will become the 7th inning stretch song in the minors

I don't know what's worse... your rants or your jokes.