Gameday Thread: Angels @ A's (6/15/2021): Wong at 3B, Iglesias hitting 3rd, Heaney on the mound

[Docwaukee]

so we beat the crap out of some bad teams and then we lose to good teams.  hmm.  I wonder what we are?  Our record is 33-34.  I'm trying to figure it out but I'm at a loss.  Can someone help?

[bloodbrother]

Good news is the Angels get to face the Tigers next so they should get back over .500 for another couple days

[Angels 1961]

10 minutes ago, bloodbrother said:

Good news is the Angels get to face the Tigers next so they should get back over .500 for another couple days

U think that's what Tiger fans are thinking about facing Angels

[bloodbrother]

Probably not since the Tigers are 11 games under .500

[T.G.]

AJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fan_since79]

D-backs had a 7-0 lead in SF and lost 9-8.

21st straight road loss.

I feel a little better now.

[Angels 1961]

Time to bring up Barria put him in rotation with Sandoval, Ohtani, Canning and Suarez. After Heaney is traded bring up Detmers. If not traded Bundy, Quintana, Cobb to bullpen.

[Vlad27Trout27]

1 hour ago, Dochalo said:

so we beat the crap out of some bad teams and then we lose to good teams.  hmm.  I wonder what we are?  Our record is 33-34.  I'm trying to figure it out but I'm at a loss.  Can someone help?

I have no clue. I think it would help if we had an Manager that knew how to manage his pitching staff 

[stormngt]

1 hour ago, Inside Pitch said:

A bullpen role was just a waste from the get go.  There was never any question he could get guys out.  But he's done nothing to develop as a SP.  It's frustrating.

We wasted something like 8 million on Quintana.  8 million should have been spent on the bullpen.

[tomsred]

20 minutes ago, Vlad27Trout27 said:

I have no clue. I think it would help if we had an Manager that knew how to manage his pitching staff 

No one could manage this pitching staff, it's far too inconsistent and poorly constructed.  Just when it looks like they have a couple of good outings, and they look like they can be trusted in tough situations, they revert to being incapable.

The part that bugs me the worst is the inability to keep reasonable command of their pitches, the walks are killing them.

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, Dochalo said:

so we beat the crap out of some bad teams and then we lose to good teams.  hmm.  I wonder what we are?  Our record is 33-34.  I'm trying to figure it out but I'm at a loss.  Can someone help?

14-6 so far against under .500 teams 

19-28 so far against over .500 teams 

[Tank]

2 hours ago, rageous said:

Enjoy getting swept by a team that is barely getting paid more than Rendon's and Trout's salary.

Thanks!

[Stradling]

6 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

14-6 so far against under .500 teams 

19-28 so far against over .500 teams 

I’m curious, when we read these stats does that mean the 19-28 record is against teams that are currently above .500 or they were above .500 when we faced off against them?  

[eligrba]

9 hours ago, Dochalo said:

with a three run deficit.  God forbid you bring in your best reliever in high leverage.  Hey, let's stunt his development and then misuse him.  

my new goal for this team is to anticipate where Joe will make stupid decisions and then fill those spots with players that can't damage the team.  Oh wait, that means we have to have an all star at every spot.  

I am also frustrated but the roster is still the primary problem.  Nothing will change until the Angels figure out how to acquire pitchers who can be trusted. Every pitcher has an off game but the Angel bullpen seems to have pitchers whose tendency is to have shitty games....a well pitched game for these guys appear to be the outliers and not the norm.

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

I’m curious, when we read these stats does that mean the 19-28 record is against teams that are currently above .500 or they were above .500 when we faced off against them?  

Currently 

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Currently 

Meh

[Angel Oracle]

27 minutes ago, eligrba said:

I am also frustrated but the roster is still the primary problem.  Nothing will change until the Angels figure out how to acquire pitchers who can be trusted. Every pitcher has an off game but the Angel bullpen seems to have pitchers whose tendency is to have shitty games....a well pitched game for these guys appear to be the outliers and not the norm.

The problem is their extreme inconsistency.

Each guy has been both horrible for solid stretches, then turns it around for a solid stretch, and then tanks again.   Every single guy 

I’ve never seen anything like it. 

Is it Maddon misusing them?

[ukyah]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

I’m curious, when we read these stats does that mean the 19-28 record is against teams that are currently above .500 or they were above .500 when we faced off against them?  

that's a pretty tough ask for anybody to figure out, as far as the record of each team at the time each game was played. that's like work work.

[Stradling]

35 minutes ago, ukyah said:

that's a pretty tough ask for anybody to figure out, as far as the record of each team at the time each game was played. that's like work work.

I wasn’t sure if when you see this stat on baseball reference or wherever how they calculated it.  I wasn’t asking AO to do the work.  

[eligrba]

1 hour ago, Angel Oracle said:

The problem is their extreme inconsistency.

Each guy has been both horrible for solid stretches, then turns it around for a solid stretch, and then tanks again.   Every single guy 

I’ve never seen anything like it. 

Is it Maddon misusing them?

I think most of the pitchers in the Angels' bullpen would be fine on a team with a competent bullpen.  These pitchers (Shitstack, Hoyt, Claudio, Guerra, Mayer) would achieve some level of consistency if they were in a competent bullpen because they would not be exposed to many high leverage situations.  Other pitchers would assume the high leverage roles allowing the pitchers like Shitstack and others to fill in.  The main problem is that the garbage assembled by Minasian are being used more than they should be used.  Minasian (and Eppler) have consistently assembled bullpens with pitchers who should not be relied on. 

The best analogy I can come up with is that Minasian and Eppler keep purchasing cars made with parts from Harbor Freight and assembled using tools from Harbor Freight to drive across the country.  However, the car does has a kick-ass sound system and leather seats.

[Angels 1961]

9 hours ago, Tank said:

Thanks!

Yeah but Tampa lower payroll than Oakland and has better record

[Angels 1961]

29 minutes ago, eligrba said:

I think most of the pitchers in the Angels' bullpen would be fine on a team with a competent bullpen.  These pitchers (Shitstack, Hoyt, Claudio, Guerra, Mayer) would achieve some level of consistency if they were in a competent bullpen because they would not be exposed to many high leverage situations.  Other pitchers would assume the high leverage roles allowing the pitchers like Shitstack and others to fill in.  The main problem is that the garbage assembled by Minasian are being used more than they should be used.  Minasian (and Eppler) have consistently assembled bullpens with pitchers who should not be relied on. 

The best analogy I can come up with is that Minasian and Eppler keep purchasing cars made with parts from Harbor Freight and assembled using tools from Harbor Freight to drive across the country.  However, the car does has a kick-ass sound system and leather seats.

I do not get this high leverage situations. So those pitchers are just mop up pitchers. Your in majors get your job done or find somebody else. 

[eligrba]

2 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

I do not get this high leverage situations. So those pitchers are just mop up pitchers. Your in majors get your job done or find somebody else. 

I think of a bullpen like a batting lineup......you would not want your weakest hitters hitting in lineup spots that are often in high leverage situations.  If the Angel lineup was like the bullpen, Juan Lagares would be hitting second and Kurt Suzuki would be hitting third because there are no better options available.

Every player has a role but not the same role.  The Angels' problem is that they continue trying to use pitchers in roles they can not be successful in over the long term.

[Blarg]

[Tank]

3 hours ago, Angels 1961 said:

Yeah but Tampa lower payroll than Oakland and has better record

if you're looking for a new team to follow, you have my permission to abandon our ship and grab a tampa/oakland life saver.