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[Thomas]

Just now, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

There weren't any small states then. 

Rhode Island, New Hampshire, Delaware and Georgia would like a word. 

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

18 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

They don't.  They have way less electoral votes.

Not to mention the entire state has one House Representative.

Montana has 3 electoral votes that's one vote for every 354,000 people. California has 55 electoral that's 1 electoral vote for every 727,000 people.

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

29 minutes ago, Adam said:

Parties. Nomination processes. Primary rules. Lots of shit much worse than the electoral college. 

Well the college just gave us the worst president in history so, no.

[Adam]

Yeah. Your life much worse, is it?

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

17 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

Doesn't change the fact that if given straight votes that urbanized areas would have complete control over farm states.

The electoral college only elects the president they don't control farms, neither does direct elections of the president, a weak argument.

[Adam]

Are there any metrics by which we're ranking presidents or is this just emotion?

[Thomas]

1 minute ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

The electoral college only elects the president they don't control farms, neither does direct elections of the president, a weak argument.

Tell that to Iowa and all the corn subsidies we have in this country.

[mtangelsfan]

1 minute ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

The electoral college only elects the president they don't control farms, neither does direct elections of the president, a weak argument.

If you say so.

But it would basically hand over the presidency to urban areas without fail.  

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

12 minutes ago, Thomas said:

Rhode Island, New Hampshire, Delaware and Georgia would like a word. 

They were all small back then. Rhode Island has more people than Montana and Wyoming, and is smaller in area than Orange County. Besides that was never the reason for the electoral college and you know it.

Edited June 21, 2018 by Ace-Of-Diamonds

[Make Angels Great Again]

@Ace-Of-Diamonds, i'm curious. Do you think small (geographically speaking in a relative sense), densely populated cities like NY and LA are susceptible to falling victim to group think and mob mentality?

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

1 minute ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

@Ace-Of-Diamonds, i'm curious. Do you think small (geographically speaking in a relative sense), densely populated cities like NY and LA are susceptible to falling victim to group think and mob mentality?

see above

[Thomas]

1 minute ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

They were all small back then.

Virginia had 10 times the population of these states.

[Make Angels Great Again]

Just now, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

 see above

 

That doesn't answer the question in the slightest sense.

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

5 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

 

That doesn't answer the question in the slightest sense.

guess

[UndertheHalo]

7 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

@Ace-Of-Diamonds, i'm curious. Do you think small (geographically speaking in a relative sense), densely populated cities like NY and LA are susceptible to falling victim to group think and mob mentality?

Why just those areas ? Any homogenous group is vulnerable to “group think” or “mob mentality” urban areas are pretty diverse.  They’re probably less vulnerable to it then rural America. 

[Thomas]

1 minute ago, UndertheHalo said:

Why just those areas ? Any homogenous group is vulnerable to “group think” or “mob mentality” urban areas are pretty diverse.  They’re probably less vulnerable to it then rural America. 

Urban: Highly volatile group think
Rural: Highly static group think

Which is better?  Beats me

[UndertheHalo]

1 minute ago, Thomas said:

Urban: Highly volatile group think
Rural: Highly static group think

Which is better?  Beats me

Fair.

[Thomas]

16 minutes ago, Thomas said:

Tell that to Iowa and all the corn subsidies we have in this country.

Citation to this comment.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/democrats-and-republicans-support-harmful-ethanol-subsidies-for-the-sake-of-votes

[Spirit]

23 minutes ago, Adam said:

Are there any metrics by which we're ranking presidents or is this just emotion?

 

Just emotion.

 

 

[Make Angels Great Again]

11 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

 Why just those areas ? Any homogenous group is vulnerable to “group think” or “mob mentality” urban areas are pretty diverse.  They’re probably less vulnerable to it then rural America. 

 

Today's culture of "diverse" (picture emphatic air quotes) college campuses completely contradict that theory.

[Thomas]

38 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

There weren't any small states then. The ONLY reason the electoral college exists is because at the constitution was written the average person never traveled more than 20 miles from home. They had no idea who the person running for President was. They voted for someone more local who voted for the President. With radio, TV, and the internet if someone doesn't who the canidates are they shouldn't vote at all.

With democracy being a rather untried form of government compared to monarchism and other authoritarian forms they didn't greatly trust the general public. Even if it was primarily white land owning men.  They were afraid that they would be wooed and seduced by a conman posed as a populist. Clearly based on recent events, they were right. The fairest criticism you can lay against the EC is that it failed in its primary purpose because we had gotten complacent and entitled.

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

48 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

 

Phew! good thing we've never been a democracy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/?utm_term=.23eea68826db

I often hear people argue that the United States is a republic, not a democracy. But that’s a false dichotomy. A common definition of “republic” is, to quote the American Heritage Dictionary, “A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them” — we are that. A common definition of “democracy” is, “Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives” — we are that, too.

The United States is not a direct democracy, in the sense of a country in which laws (and other government decisions) are made predominantly by majority vote. Some lawmaking is done this way, on the state and local levels, but it’s only a tiny fraction of all lawmaking. But we are a representative democracy, which is a form of democracy...

[Jason]

56 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

If you say so.

But it would basically hand over the presidency to urban areas without fail.  

They will vote for the furthest left candidate so I'm sure he'd be OK with that

[Blarg]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

We never were supposed to be. We are a constitutional republic 

So many people don't seem to understand this then get their balls in an uproar when the mid West actually has a say in their fate. 

[UndertheHalo]

31 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

 

Today's culture of "diverse" (picture emphatic air quotes) college campuses completely contradict that theory.

It actually does not.  You just don’t like what the voices coming from there have to say. 

Did you read about Trumps rally last night ? Do you consider that an example of “mob mentality”