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[red321]

16 minutes ago, nate said:

By the way, this wasn't ordered by Mueller, this was ordered by the NY AG.  Mueller simply turned over evidence of crimes he found while investigating.

No, it was the feds located in southern NYC. But you are right, this wasn’t ordered by Mueller. 

[Jason]

23 minutes ago, red321 said:

In the course of investigating what Rosenstein has authorized they apparently discovered a number of other issues. mueller took this to Rosenstein who then directed it to another area. 

To get warrants at the level and for what they did, had to be a decent amount of evidence. 

But im sure the trumpets will keep whining about a witch hunt. 

I'm fine with them charging him (or anyone else) if they find criminal activity but it does appear that this investigation is a witch hunt

[nate]

33 minutes ago, red321 said:

In the course of investigating what Rosenstein has authorized they apparently discovered a number of other issues. mueller took this to Rosenstein who then directed it to another area. 

To get warrants at the level and for what they did, had to be a decent amount of evidence. 

But im sure the trumpets will keep whining about a witch hunt. 

Trump nutswingers are like "witch hunt!!! they should be allowed to get away with these crimes!"

[Jason]

1 minute ago, nate said:

Trump nutswingers are like "witch hunt!!! they should be allowed to get away with these crimes!"

I'm in no way a Trump nutswinger but this does look like a witch hunt.

[red321]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

I'm in no way a Trump nutswinger but this does look like a witch hunt.

How is it a witch hunt?

[Jason]

11 minutes ago, red321 said:

How is it a witch hunt?

It was sold that this investigation was for Russian collusion. That is not what this is. I'm sure they'll dig up more stuff after this too. It really appears they are trying to find anything they can hang on him. Then again this Cohen thing may have nothing to do with Trump.

[red321]

Witch hunt implies someone is innocent.

But let’s look at this case, Mueller was given a set of instructions by Rosenstein (who was appointed by Trump), around Russian activity. 

Cohen is Trump’s personal lawyer, who numerous reports have stated was negotiating Trump business deals with Russia, including during the campaign. So yes, of course they are going to investigate Cohen. 

It would appear in the course of looking at Cohen records they identified potential criminal activities. They then communicated this to rosenstein since what was potentially discovered it was outside his directive and he determined it should go to another office. 

So again I ask, how is this a witch hunt? Should they have ignored the possible criminal activity?

[mtangelsfan]

How does a witch hunt specify someone is innocent?  This isn't how the law is supposed to work.  They aren't supposed to cast huge net and simply hope they catch something 

[nate]

1 minute ago, mtangelsfan said:

How does a witch hunt specify someone is innocent?  This isn't how the law is supposed to work.  They aren't supposed to cast huge net and simply hope they catch something 

Except that isn't what they are doing.  They are investigating Russian collusion and coming across crimes along the way and charging people for those crimes.

It is pretty simple.

[mtangelsfan]

Just now, nate said:

Except that isn't what they are doing.  They are investigating Russian collusion and coming across crimes along the way and charging people for those crimes.

It is pretty simple.

That isn't how it is supposed to work.

[Jason]

27 minutes ago, red321 said:

Witch hunt implies someone is innocent.

But let’s look at this case, Mueller was given a set of instructions by Rosenstein (who was appointed by Trump), around Russian activity. 

Cohen is Trump’s personal lawyer, who numerous reports have stated was negotiating Trump business deals with Russia, including during the campaign. So yes, of course they are going to investigate Cohen. 

It would appear in the course of looking at Cohen records they identified potential criminal activities. They then communicated this to rosenstein since what was potentially discovered it was outside his directive and he determined it should go to another office. 

So again I ask, how is this a witch hunt? Should they have ignored the possible criminal activity?

Of course not. Anyone who commits a crime should be held accountable. I just hope they aren't wasting time looking into stuff that isn't related to the Russia stuff

[InsideThePark]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

Of course not. Anyone who commits a crime should be held accountable. I just hope they aren't wasting time looking into stuff that isn't related to the Russia stuff

Doesn't matter. Mueller has a wide scope and is simply just doing his job. I know you want to get to the truth but some of you guys are repeating false talking points from conservative commentators. Guess they forgot about Whitewater.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017–present)

Since May 2017, a Special Counsel investigation has been led by the United States Special Counsel, Robert Mueller, a former Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). The investigation is examining Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, including exploring any links or coordination between Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign and the Russian government, "and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation". 

[tennischmp]

16 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

That isn't how it is supposed to work.

Why not? If the cops are going to go a home to investigate child abuse and they see a dead body are they not going to investigate that? 

[nate]

19 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

That isn't how it is supposed to work.

 

2 minutes ago, InsideThePark said:

Doesn't matter. Mueller has a wide scope and is simply just doing his job. I know you want to get to the truth but some of you guys are repeating false talking points from conservative commentators. Guess they forgot about Whitewater.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017–present)

Since May 2017, a Special Counsel investigation has been led by the United States Special Counsel, Robert Mueller, a former Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). The investigation is examining Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, including exploring any links or coordination between Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign and the Russian government, "and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation". 

Yes, it is exactly how it is supposed to work.

[mtangelsfan]

5 minutes ago, InsideThePark said:

Doesn't matter. Mueller has a wide scope and is simply just doing his job. I know you want to get to the truth but some of you guys are repeating false talking points from conservative commentators. Guess they forgot about Whitewater.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017–present)

Since May 2017, a Special Counsel investigation has been led by the United States Special Counsel, Robert Mueller, a former Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). The investigation is examining Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, including exploring any links or coordination between Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign and the Russian government, "and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation". 

I would have to listen to commentators to use their talking points.  Some of us actually come up with our own thoughts.

regardless, the scope of warrants are not supposed to be that broad

Edited April 10, 2018 by mtangelsfan

[Lou]

3 minutes ago, tennischmp said:

Why not? If the cops are going to go a home to investigate child abuse and they see a dead body are they not going to investigate that? 

If they have a warrant warrant to look for a gun, can they arrest a person for being in possession of a stolen microwave? 

[Lou]

1 minute ago, mtangelsfan said:

I would have to listen to commentators to use their talking points.

It's the go-to comment of Lib Nation. 

[Lou]

1 hour ago, RallyMo said:

Are you not following the thread?

Yes. Did you not get the point? 

[tennischmp]

Just now, Lou said:

If they have a warrant warrant to look for a gun, can they arrest a person for being in possession of a stolen microwave? 

That I don't know but they can get another search warrant for the the stolen microwave, which looks like what happened here, Muller found evidence while investigating something else, referred to the US Southern district AG who got a warrant

[InsideThePark]

2 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

I would have to listen to commentators to use their talking points.  Some of us actually come up with our own thoughts.

regardless, the scope of warrants are not supposed to be that broad

The facts indicate otherwise.

BTW, I wasn't referring to you.

[tennischmp]

6 minutes ago, failos said:

This is a witch hunt because Mueller has found jack shit on Trump so far but somehow it's OK now to raid his personal attorney? That sounds like someone who is desperate to find something that sticks

1. The investigation is still ongoing so we have no idea what he has found pertaining to Trump

2. He is not the one going after Trumps attorney. He turned the evidence he found of a possible crime committed by the lawyer to Rod Rosenstein(who is his boss and was appointed by Trump) who then gave that evidence to the AG of the Southern district (who was also hand picked by Trump) who then presented the evidence in front of the judge and got a warrant. 

[Lou]

13 minutes ago, tennischmp said:

That I don't know but they can get another search warrant for the the stolen microwave, which looks like what happened here, Muller found evidence while investigating something else, referred to the US Southern district AG who got a warrant

That's not necessarily true.

Actually, a better question would this scenario. If they are looking for stolen microwaves (per a warrant) and they find an ounce of coke in a drawer, can they arrest the person for drug possession? 

[red321]

40 minutes ago, Jason said:

Of course not. Anyone who commits a crime should be held accountable. I just hope they aren't wasting time looking into stuff that isn't related to the Russia stuff

They didn’t. They came across something else during the investigation that appeared illegal, communicated it to Rosenstein, who then gave it to another team. 

 

Should also be noted, from what I’ve read, getting a warrant of this nature is a pretty big deal. You can’t grab a lawyers communication with a client about a crime they committed. But they can if they think the lawyer was conspiring with the client to commit crimes. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/04/09/to-search-michael-cohens-home-and-office-the-fbi-had-to-clear-a-higher-than-normal-bar/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_cohenanalysis-645pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.6365acbcfbb1

[Rico]

23 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

 

regardless, the scope of warrants are not supposed to be that broad

Cops are never off-duty.  If he is in street clothes and finds evidence of a crime he has to report it.  That is what basically happened here.

[Kevin]

Glad this thread is revving up again. Seemed like we were stuck on page 640 for awhile.