Trumped

[yvangelfan]

CNN's dastardly performance last night was, once again, a gigantic donation calling card for the NRA.

 

[yvangelfan]

1 hour ago, Geoff said:

I would

 

 

Trump thread

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

3 hours ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

It says a militia should be well regulated.

Doesnt say anything about the right to bear arms should be well regulated, in fact it says the opposite.

lame argument, but about what I would expect from you.

[mtangelsfan]

1 minute ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

lame argument, but about what I would expect from you.

It is actually perfectly logical.  You may disagree with his interpretation of the 2nd Amendment but it certainly isn't lame.

 

[Tank]

i think we can all agree on one thing here . . .

 

 

alicia silverstone needs to make more movies.

Edited February 22, 2018 by Tank

[Spirit]

I wood!

 

 

[Adam]

You shood

[Make Angels Great Again]

57 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

lame argument, but about what I would expect from you.

 

Perfect!

I have no counter argument, therefore you're an idiot.

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

How about this idea, for the argument that cars kill people also. In order to drive you first need a learner permit and in 6 mo. pass a driving test. You need insurance, you also need to register your car every year.

Maybe that would a good starting point. I'm fine with the right to bear arms, a shotgun, even a hunting rifle. Nobody needs a AR-15 with a bump stock and 100 round magazine like was used in Las Vegas.

[Lou]

52 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

How about this idea, for the argument that cars kill people also. In order to drive you first need a learner permit and in 6 mo. pass a driving test. You need insurance, you also need to register your car every year.

Maybe that would a good starting point. I'm fine with the right to bear arms, a shotgun, even a hunting rifle. Nobody needs a AR-15 with a bump stock and 100 round magazine like was used in Las Vegas.

and nobody needs a a lifted truck or Bugatti*

 

*except @mrwicked

 

[Lou]

3 hours ago, yvangelfan said:

"If they bring a knife, we will bring a gun".      Barack Obama

Damn, I thought that was Sean Connery 

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

37 minutes ago, Lou said:

and nobody needs a a lifted truck or Bugatti*

There are legitimate reason for a lifted Truck, off roading, AR-15 killing. As far as Bugatti goes make the AR-15 the same price as a Bugatti and I'm all for it.

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

As Gunman Rampaged Through Florida School, Armed Deputy ‘Never Went In’

Alan Blinder and Patricia Mazzei

1 minute

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FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — The only armed sheriff’s deputy at a Florida high school where 17 people were killed took cover outside rather than charging into the building when the massacre began, the Broward County sheriff said on Thursday. The sheriff also acknowledged that his office received 23 calls related to the suspect going back a decade, including one last year that said he was collecting knives and guns, but may not have adequately followed up.

The deputy, Scot Peterson, resigned on Thursday after being suspended without pay after Sheriff Scott Israel reviewed surveillance video.

[Spirit]

2 hours ago, Adam said:

You shood

 

Would she?

 

 

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

Mueller Files New Fraud Charges Against Paul Manafort and Campaign Deputy

Michael S. Schmidt and Matt Apuzzo

1-2 minutes

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WASHINGTON — Even as he was managing Donald J. Trump’s campaign for president, Paul Manafort lied to banks to secure millions of dollars in cash loans as part of a decade-long money laundering scheme, according to charges unsealed by the special counsel on Thursday.

Mr. Manafort exaggerated his income by millions of dollars to take out mortgages on homes in SoHo and the Hamptons that he had purchased years earlier in part with income illegally funneled through offshore bank accounts, according to the indictment. The laundered money — which totaled $30 million — came from Mr. Manafort’s work as a lobbyist and political consultant to Viktor F. Yanukovych, the Russia-aligned former Ukrainian president.

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"A man is known by the company he keeps"...Aesop

A man is judged by the company he keeps, and a company is judged
by the men it keeps, and the people of Democratic nations are judged
by the type and caliber of officers they elect...William J.H. Boetcker

 

[Jason]

7 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

As Gunman Rampaged Through Florida School, Armed Deputy ‘Never Went In’

Alan Blinder and Patricia Mazzei

1 minute

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FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — The only armed sheriff’s deputy at a Florida high school where 17 people were killed took cover outside rather than charging into the building when the massacre began, the Broward County sheriff said on Thursday. The sheriff also acknowledged that his office received 23 calls related to the suspect going back a decade, including one last year that said he was collecting knives and guns, but may not have adequately followed up.

The deputy, Scot Peterson, resigned on Thursday after being suspended without pay after Sheriff Scott Israel reviewed surveillance video.

[the dude abides]

42 minutes ago, Geoff said:

 

Would she?

 

 

Send her the giant hand pic

[Spirit]

12 minutes ago, the dude abides said:

Send her the giant hand pic

 

[Vegas Halo Fan]

1 hour ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

As Gunman Rampaged Through Florida School, Armed Deputy ‘Never Went In’

Alan Blinder and Patricia Mazzei

1 minute

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The sheriff also acknowledged that his office received 23 calls related to the suspect going back a decade, including one last year that said he was collecting knives and guns, but may not have adequately followed up.

Gee, do you think?

[Spirit]

Ouch!

 

 

[Rico]

5 hours ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

As Gunman Rampaged Through Florida School, Armed Deputy ‘Never Went In’

Alan Blinder and Patricia Mazzei

1 minute

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FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — The only armed sheriff’s deputy at a Florida high school where 17 people were killed took cover outside rather than charging into the building when the massacre began, the Broward County sheriff said on Thursday. The sheriff also acknowledged that his office received 23 calls related to the suspect going back a decade, including one last year that said he was collecting knives and guns, but may not have adequately followed up.

The deputy, Scot Peterson, resigned on Thursday after being suspended without pay after Sheriff Scott Israel reviewed surveillance video.

Handgun vs an AR-15.  I'd wait for backup too.

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

1 hour ago, Rico said:

Handgun vs an AR-15.  I'd wait for backup too.

Which is why they should be banned. Also Trump wants to arm teachers with hand guns, so if a 30 year veteran deputy sheriff and army veteran turns coward, imagine what a teacher would do. Besides that's the very job he was there to do. By the time backup got there the shooter was already at Walmart.

He wouldn't have had to stand in plain site and call him out. The shooter wasn't expecting him so you use stealth and from a position of cover tell him to drop his weapon and if he turns toward you you shoot. That has to have part of his training right. There was no time to wait for backup kids were being slaughtered now.

[Blarg]

7 hours ago, Lou said:

and nobody needs has a a lifted truck or Bugatti*

 

*except @mrwicked

 

Fify

[Blarg]

29 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

Which is why they should be banned. Also Trump wants to arm teachers with hand guns, so if a 30 year veteran deputy sheriff and army veteran turns coward, imagine what a teacher would do. Besides that's the very job he was there to do. By the time backup got there the shooter was already at Walmart.

Turns coward? It's not a fair fight in the least and, although armed, this deputy is not required to take on a suicide mission. If he felt, from the gunfire, he couldn't approach the attacker and dispatch him then it was his call, his life on the line as well and had the right to wait for backup.

The difference sometimes between a coward and a dead hero is perception of who did the right thing, not who did the right thing. Adding his body to the pile in the hallway doesn't resolve anything.

Sitting at a desk watching surveillance cams after the fact is no way to judge someone's fitness to serve when they weren't the lone deputy in the line of fire. He had no idea how many gunmen were in that hallway because he had no cameras to see the massacre unfold.

This guy feels like shit, he voluntarily quit and is reliving this nightmare every day and night. If only he had... That's what is running through his mind and it's probably killing him inside. I don't think it was cowardice, I think he really felt he was incapable of helping those kids and teachers. And he knew every single one of them.

I doubt many on this board would make a move towards that hall not knowing what's around the corner. You say you would, you say you wouldn't let kids die but you've never been in his shoes so it's just big talk.

 

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

35 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Turns coward? It's not a fair fight in the least and, although armed, this deputy is not required to take on a suicide mission. If he felt, from the gunfire, he couldn't approach the attacker and dispatch him then it was his call, his life on the line as well and had the right to wait for backup.

The difference sometimes between a coward and a dead hero is perception of who did the right thing, not who did the right thing. Adding his body to the pile in the hallway doesn't resolve anything.

Sitting at a desk watching surveillance cams after the fact is no way to judge someone's fitness to serve when they weren't the lone deputy in the line of fire. He had no idea how many gunmen were in that hallway because he had no cameras to see the massacre unfold.

This guy feels like shit, he voluntarily quit and is reliving this nightmare every day and night. If only he had... That's what is running through his mind and it's probably killing him inside. I don't think it was cowardice, I think he really felt he was incapable of helping those kids and teachers. And he knew every single one of them.

I doubt many on this board would make a move towards that hall not knowing what's around the corner. You say you would, you say you wouldn't let kids die but you've never been in his shoes so it's just big talk.

 

The sheriff saw the video of his action or inaction and said it made him sick to his stomach, while unarmed teachers and students were sacrificing their lives to save the peers he was doing nothing. He was suspended for cause. He also excepted responsibility for doing nothing, and has resigned in disgrace. He has been unavailable for comment. if the shooter was just holding hostages then yea wait for backup, but people were dying then, and he was the only help there was. There is no other word for it but coward. 

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-shooting-sro-20180222-story.html

Stoneman Douglas cop resigns; sheriff says he should have 'killed the killer'

Peterson had been a school resource officer at Stoneman Douglas since 2009. He was considered a trusted officer who “values his position and takes pride in protecting the students, faculty and staff at his school,” a 2017 performance review said.

His annual salary in 2016 was $75,673.72, according to sheriff’s office records, but he made $101,013 that year with overtime and other compensation. Peterson has been the subject of two internal investigations, neither of which resulted in significant discipline.

Soon after the shooting took place, Israel and Broward Schools Superintendent Robert Runcie were forced to answer questions about where Peterson was during the shooting and why he did not confront Cruz.

“I’m in shock and I’m outraged to no end that he could have made a difference in all this,” Runcie said Thursday. “It’s really disturbing that we had a law enforcement individual there specifically for this reason, and he did not engage. He did not do his job. It’s one of the most unbelievable things I’ve ever heard.”