Trumped

[Thomas]

The problem is that the left can't win by playing the same dirty tricks as the right. It only play's into the right's implied rhetoric that everyone are assholes so you should just get yours. Every time the left gets antagonized enough to fight in the mud with the right they lose. 

[UndertheHalo]

5 minutes ago, Thomas said:

The problem is that the left can't win by playing the same dirty tricks as the right. It only play's into the right's implied rhetoric that everyone are assholes so you should just get yours. Every time the left gets antagonized enough to fight in the mud with the right they lose. 

Ya I mean, that has to change.  The left has to figure out how to win in the mud.  Maybe you’re right and they can’t.  I don’t know.   What I do know is.  The republicans can’t be allowed to change institutional norms like they did high jacking the Supreme Court pick.  And then get to expect the clock to spin back to before they did that.  That can not be allowed to happen. 

[Blarg]

23 minutes ago, Thomas said:

The problem is that the left can't win by playing the same dirty tricks as the right. It only play's into the right's implied rhetoric that everyone are assholes so you should just get yours. Every time the left gets antagonized enough to fight in the mud with the right they lose. 

Only the left fixed their primaries. Maybe they need to clean up their act before they start proclaiming they are on higher ground, or to keep with the analogy, fighing with cleaner mud. 

[Thomas]

11 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Ya I mean, that has to change.  The left has to figure out how to win in the mud.  Maybe you’re right and they can’t.  I don’t know.   What I do know is.  The republicans can’t be allowed to change institutional norms like they did high jacking the Supreme Court pick.  And then get to expect the clock to spin back to before they did that.  That can not be allowed to happen. 

I'm definitely more the point shit out than fix shit guy but I see two paths.

1. Can't beat them, join them. If it works for modern NBA players, why not politics. Not that the left already hasn't done this but more so. Really become Republican-lite. But it'd allow them to employ more and more dubious tactics. 

2. Become a true alternative. But this is the harder option. They have to shed the massive dead weight at the top of the party.  They have to stop doing things that allow the opposition to equivocate. They need leaders that can inspire the masses. And oh yeah, state and local level organization matters too. So yeah, that's all. 

[Thomas]

1 minute ago, Thomas said:

They have to stop doing things that allow the opposition to equivocate. 

Case in point.

5 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Only the left fixed their primaries. Maybe they need to clean up their act before they start proclaiming they are on higher ground, or to keep with the analogy, fighing with cleaner mud. 

 

[Lou]

On February 1, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Jason said:

What's crazier is she continues to get re-elected 

All of the Cali libs love her. 

[Lou]

On February 1, 2018 at 2:00 PM, Make Angels Great Again said:

Maxine Waters is the worst.

I find it ironic that she is talking on BET about vulgarity and disrespect of women.

Bitch, BET is the biggest platform for gangster rap which is the worst offender in existence of those.

 

On February 1, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Jason said:

Racist

MAGA isn't racist. I have it on good authority that he just doesn't like big butts - nor can he lie. 

[RallyMo]

18 hours ago, InsideThePark said:

Lost in today's news...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/wsj-strzok-and-page-texts-show-no-anti-trump-conspiracy

Since closeted Trumpers won't see or hear this from Pro-Trump media:

In a Wall Street Journal review of more than 7,000 text messages between FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, the newspaper found “no evidence of a conspiracy against Mr. Trump.” 

Also, strzok was the same guy who helped write the poorly worded letter that was sent to Congress 10 days before the election.

Blows the laughable conspiracy you've been parroting right out of the water.

Context is irrelevant. Being comprehensive is irrelevant. 

[Make Angels Great Again]

3 hours ago, Lou said:

 

MAGA isn't racist. I have it on good authority that he just doesn't like big butts - nor can he lie. 

 

[Lou]

17 hours ago, RallyMo said:

Context is irrelevant. Being comprehensive is irrelevant. 

Being comprehensive must be irrelevant since this you fellas forgot to mention this: 

 

On Twitter, Wilber expounded more on this, while adding that this doesn’t point to a deep state plot to block Donald Trump from winning. Plainly, it shows that this isn’t one of the FBI’s proudest moments, with former agents apparently appalled by Strzok’s behavior, given the nature of these texts, his position in two key investigations, and the added bonus that he was having an affair with an FBI attorney. All of this speaks to the credibility of the agency. It potentially speaks volumes about the office culture at the FBI, along with the judgment Mueller has when it comes to picking his staff. The Journal’s editorial board noted other troubling instances, like a now-demoted DOJ official, Bruce Ohr, meeting with the authors of the infamous and unverified Trump dossier. Oh, and his wife, Nellie, worked for the firm—Fusion GPS—that hired former MI6 operative Christopher Steele, who compiled the file, which was subsidized by the Hillary Clinton campaign. The publication added that evidence is mounting that the FBI possibly engaged in election meddling. We’ll see, but for now—the “insurance” referred to is the Russia investigation. Also, another thing the WSJ noted that former agents and prosecutors were flabbergasted that Page and Strzok were even texting each other about these cases. 

Yet, let’s be honest. Even if the probe was to be an aggressive review into whether the Donald Trump’s campaign and Russia colluded, and there was—in this hypothetical—evidence of collusion, you don’t think Democrats would try to refocus this inquiry upstream to ensnare Trump? Of course they would. That’s why they’ve been obsessing about it for months. To this day, there is zero evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia. 

There are other instances at the FBI that are just as troubling as the texts, like former FBI Director James Comey drafting an exoneration statement for Hillary Clinton before agents had interviewed the former first lady. Oh, and Mr. Strzok editing the statement, like nixing the phrase “grossly negligent” to “extremely careless.” Mr. Comey was also investigated for violating the Hatch Act, a law that bars federal employees within the executive from engaging in most political activities. His top aides, FBI chief of staff James Rybicki and FBI attorney Trisha Anderson were interviewed, but the FBI has refused to turn over the transcripts. Even without the deep state drama, we already have conduct that some in the FBI were injecting their political biases into the investigations. Hence, the reason why the National Review wants someone to scrutinize the FBI’s conduct in the execution of their investigations into the Clinton email probe and possible Russian collusion. Why? Because it’s night and day:

[Everything that has happened in the Trump probe stands out against a backdrop of leniency in the Clinton investigation. While Mueller has prosecuted two Trump associates for lying to the FBI, the Obama Justice Department gave a pass to Mrs. Clinton and her subordinates, who gave the FBI misinformation about such key matters as whether Clinton understood markings in classified documents and whether her aides knew about her homebrew server system during their State Department service. Mueller’s team conducted a predawn raid at gunpoint in executing a search warrant on Paul Manafort’s home while Manafort was cooperating with congressional committees. When it came to the Clinton case, though, the Justice Department not only eschewed search warrants, or even mere subpoenas, but they never even took possession of the DNC server alleged to have been hacked by Russian operatives]    

 

 

 

 

[Rico]

Yes, the FBI meddled in the election.  But it was in favor of Trump.

[Amazing Larry]

This guy just got "marked".

 

[Jason]

26 minutes ago, LHalo said:

This guy just got "marked".

 

It's amazing how people, literally, lose their minds when it comes to Trump. Crazy stuff

[InsideThePark]

3 hours ago, Rico said:

Yes, the FBI meddled in the election.  But it was in favor of Trump.

The idea that the FBI acted favorably towards Hillary is yet another false narrative that's laughable on its face.

And speaking of false narratives...

On Fri Dec 29 2017 at 6:58 AM, Lou said:

If they used the dossier to obtain the FISA warrant to spy on Trump, which is highly likely, the ensuing hearings will be must-watch tv. 

"Highly likely," yet there was no evidence of this in the Nunes memo. You can bet it would have been in there if there was even a shred of evidence. The right-wing media is doing a superb job of misleading their viewers on this whole matter. Even casual viewers like yourself are being deceived.

Meanwhile, another false narrative goes down in flames.

http://www.newsweek.com/nunes-memo-george-papadopoulos-carter-page-donald-trump-798739

GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS, NOT STEELE DOSSIER, TRIGGERED INVESTIGATION INTO TRUMP CAMPAIGN: NUNES MEMO

[Vegas Halo Fan]

Just in case you were under the incomprehensible delusion that rank-and-file Americans will see real benefits from the Trump tax cuts.

Pfizer, pocketing a big tax cut from Trump, will end investment in Alzheimer's and Parkinson's research

The big drug company Pfizer seems intent on being a pace-setter in cranking out the benefits of the tax cut to stakeholders who need them the least. In an announcement over the weekend, Pfizer said it was shutting down its research efforts on treatments for Alzheimer's and Parkinsonism. The company didn't say how much it was spending on the two conditions, but said about 300 researchers will lose their jobs as it redirects its research and development budget elsewhere.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

1 hour ago, InsideThePark said:

The idea that the FBI acted favorably towards Hillary is yet another false narrative that's laughable on its face.

[Rico]

Rosenstein was appointed by Trump himself.

[tennischmp]

5 hours ago, InsideThePark said:

The idea that the FBI acted favorably towards Hillary is yet another false narrative that's laughable on its face.

Yea per the memo, the FBI had been investigating Trump and his team since before the primaries and not a word, not a announcement, not a leak, not a press conferee. Compare that with the Hillary stuff

[Jason]

9 hours ago, InsideThePark said:

The idea that the FBI acted favorably towards Hillary is yet another false narrative that's laughable on its face.

And speaking of false narratives...

"Highly likely," yet there was no evidence of this in the Nunes memo. You can bet it would have been in there if there was even a shred of evidence. The right-wing media is doing a superb job of misleading their viewers on this whole matter. Even casual viewers like yourself are being deceived.

Meanwhile, another false narrative goes down in flames.

http://www.newsweek.com/nunes-memo-george-papadopoulos-carter-page-donald-trump-798739

GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS, NOT STEELE DOSSIER, TRIGGERED INVESTIGATION INTO TRUMP CAMPAIGN: NUNES MEMO

Yeah, there's a lot of misinformation out there. This memo only raises concerns (legit ones) about FISA court abuses by the FBI/DOJ. Obviously that is a really bad thing but it has zero to do with the Mueller investigation. 

[RallyMo]

7 minutes ago, Jason said:

Yeah, there's a lot of misinformation out there. This memo only raises concerns (legit ones) about FISA court abuses by the FBI/DOJ. Obviously that is a really bad thing but it has zero to do with the Mueller investigation. 

Devin Nunes to the rescue!

[InsideThePark]

7 hours ago, Jason said:

Yeah, there's a lot of misinformation out there. This memo only raises concerns (legit ones) about FISA court abuses by the FBI/DOJ. Obviously that is a really bad thing but it has zero to do with the Mueller investigation. 

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/nunes-memo-george-papadopoulos-investigation-triggered-formal-launch-of-fbi-probe-in-trump-campaign/article/2647947

He didn't do any oversight into the Mueller investigation but this is partly why they are where they are today.

[red321]

It appears that they might not have thought through the Nunes clusterfuck all the way through...along with forcing Republicans on the intelligence community spend the weekend telling the media the memo doesn't impact the investigation...now it looks like the house committee is going to vote to release the Democratic analysis...which will then require it be sent to Trump who has 5 days decide whether to approve it's release.

That'll be an interesting catch 22...either sign off to release a memo highlighting the investigation is legit or refuse to release it and look like you are continuing to try and obstruct.

 

[mtangelsfan]

Gee, I wonder which one he will pick.

 

[mtangelsfan]

Very sad about the Colts player who died.

Even sadder that it is going to end up being Trump fodder.

https://sports.yahoo.com/colts-mourn-edwin-jackson-details-alleged-suspect-emerge-192212572.html

a twice deported immigrant.

[Amazing Larry]

32 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

Very sad about the Colts player who died.

Even sadder that it is going to end up being Trump fodder.

https://sports.yahoo.com/colts-mourn-edwin-jackson-details-alleged-suspect-emerge-192212572.html

a twice deported immigrant.

No, the former is more sad than the latter.