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[red321]

50 minutes ago, Jason said:

Human's being the main factor is the left's talking point here. It's like getting diarrhea from a taco bell chalupa and claiming the sauce as being the main contributor to it. 

If by left you mean almost all the scientific data, research, published scientific papers, etc. than yeah...good point. 

[Make Angels Great Again]

My favorite thing about the left lately is that they will point to science when it's convenient.

 

Like climate change, then they'll turn around and talking about the 26 different genders.

[Jason]

2 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

My favorite thing about the left lately is that they will point to science when it's convenient.

 

Like climate change, then they'll turn around and talking about the 26 different genders.

You bigot! There's like 63 genders

https://apath.org/63-genders/

[Jason]

35 minutes ago, red321 said:

If by left you mean almost all the scientific data, research, published scientific papers, etc. than yeah...good point. 

The point is that regulating the shit out of everything we humans do may not do anything to slow it down or prevent it as there probably things out of our control. Hell there's already been 5 mass extinctions without our help. 

[Blarg]

5 minutes ago, Jason said:

You bigot! There's like 63 genders

https://apath.org/63-genders/

There are two. All the rest are abominations. Or Democrats but I digress. 

[UndertheHalo]

Very few people take that garbage seriously.  Nice job conflating the the two things tho MAGA. 

There are 2 genders.  I have no problem saying that, and in this place.  I’m pretty liberal. 

There Is a wide swath on the conservative side of the spectrum in this country that rejects the human influence on climate change and that’s a terrible thing.  Apparently some on this board are among those ranks.  Pretty sad. 

Edited November 5, 2017 by UndertheHalo

[Jason]

1 hour ago, UndertheHalo said:

Very few people take that garbage seriously.  Nice job conflating the the two things tho MAGA. 

There are 2 genders.  I have no problem saying that, and in this place.  I’m pretty liberal. 

There Is a wide swath on the conservative side of the spectrum in this country that rejects the human influence on climate change and that’s a terrible thing.  Apparently some on this board are among those ranks.  Pretty sad. 

I don't think anyone rejects that but to assume it's the only cause seems a bit simplistic 

[UndertheHalo]

20 minutes ago, Jason said:

I don't think anyone rejects that but to assume it's the only cause seems a bit simplistic 

It’s the most significant cause and the part of it we can impact.

[red321]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

The point is that regulating the shit out of everything we humans do may not do anything to slow it down or prevent it as there probably things out of our control. Hell there's already been 5 mass extinctions without our help. 

Your point is dinosaurs couldn’t save themselves from a massive meteor so humans shouldn’t attempt to modify behaviors resulting in climate change?

maybe we aren’t the smartest species on the planet

[Blarg]

 Cockroachs are just biding their time. 

[red321]

37 minutes ago, Jason said:

I don't think anyone rejects that but to assume it's the only cause seems a bit simplistic 

 

Personally I think simplistic is ignoring the overwhelming consensus of scientists as compared to just saying nuh uh. 

[Glen]

5 hours ago, Jason said:

The point is that regulating the shit out of everything we humans do may not do anything to slow it down or prevent it as there probably things out of our control. Hell there's already been 5 mass extinctions without our help. 

http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/biodiversity/elements_of_biodiversity/extinction_crisis/

And we're in the middle of the sixth. With our help, it's the worst since the dinosaurs went extinct.

[Jason]

12 hours ago, red321 said:

Your point is dinosaurs couldn’t save themselves from a massive meteor so humans shouldn’t attempt to modify behaviors resulting in climate change?

maybe we aren’t the smartest species on the planet

We haven't been doing that?

[UndertheHalo]

No, not really.

[Jason]

1 minute ago, UndertheHalo said:

No, not really.

Are you saying that technology has not advanced and the energy we are currently using isn't cleaner than it was 20 years ago? People will buy alternative energy when it makes sense for their wallet. Most people who purchase alternate energy don't do so because they are worried about their carbon footprint. In all seriousness what is that you want to see happen? Restrict the miles a person can drive their car a year? Limit the amount or airline travel? What will be good enough?

[red321]

And a large reason the technology advanced and it became financial realistic was mandates and government subsidies. 

your second statement is ridiculous and a straw man. We can’t do A and B because of Z. 

[gotbeer]

13 hours ago, Blarg said:

 Cockroachs are just biding their time. 

[Jason]

41 minutes ago, red321 said:

And a large reason the technology advanced and it became financial realistic was mandates and government subsidies. 

your second statement is ridiculous and a straw man. We can’t do A and B because of Z. 

So I'm assuming that you want more of that? 

[Blarg]

Red loves his totalitarianism. 

[red321]

11 minutes ago, Jason said:

So I'm assuming that you want more of that? 

At a minimum I would say rolling back what has been done is short sighted and stupid. And yes, I think we should be converting our economy to non carbon based and green technologies for both environmental and financial reasons  

You were the one who stated we shouldn’t be doing that and regulating shit doesn’t help. 

Edited November 5, 2017 by red321

[Vegas Halo Fan]

Because big business always does the correct and responsible thing when there are no rules.

[Blarg]

There is always the flip side of that coin on which we see in California where too much regulation/fees/taxes pushes business away. 

[UndertheHalo]

It amuses me how people conflate personal freedom with industrial freedoms.  People cry about the “debt” (laugh) being passed down to our children.  How about destroying the planet in lieu of some regulatory suffering for dead/dying industries.  How’s that gonna work out for the kids ?

Edited November 5, 2017 by UndertheHalo

[Jason]

1 hour ago, red321 said:

At a minimum I would say rolling back what has been done is short sighted and stupid. And yes, I think we should be converting our economy to non carbon based and green technologies for both environmental and financial reasons  

You were the one who stated we shouldn’t be doing that and regulating shit doesn’t help. 

That's not what I said but our government loves to over regulate EVERYTHING. I agree that there does need to be standards that must be met. 

[UndertheHalo]

3 hours ago, Jason said:

Are you saying that technology has not advanced and the energy we are currently using isn't cleaner than it was 20 years ago? People will buy alternative energy when it makes sense for their wallet. Most people who purchase alternate energy don't do so because they are worried about their carbon footprint. In all seriousness what is that you want to see happen? Restrict the miles a person can drive their car a year? Limit the amount or airline travel? What will be good enough?

I’m saying that we should as policy drive along the death of dirty industries.  We have other solutions, those should be favored in the extreme.