Trumped

[red321]

53 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

Donald Trump will send you a thank you card after his 2020 victory 

Case in point

[red321]

51 minutes ago, Thomas said:

Are you implying the tens of millions that voted or supported Trump are in any way a homogeneous group? 

 

Roy Moore, Trump wrapped up in a gold plated bible, not only visited DC this week, but was welcomed with open arms. The RNC has agreed to fundraise for him and most Republicans senators are supporting him. 

Jeff Flake, the warm wet leftover in the jockey shorts of the Myth of Reagan announced he was not running for re-election, because he couldn’t win a Republican primary. 

Trump isn’t a singular political phenomenon, he is what the Republican Party has been building to since young bucks were eating t-bones and driving Cadillacs while talking to Willie Horton. 

And I’m sure plenty of Reagan Republicans still vote team red for the tax cuts (we can jettison the idea any of them actually give a shit about the deficit), and I’m sure many voted for him because they felt they were ignored and left behind...but each and everyone one of them voted for him knowing who he was and what he stood for. 

[Thomas]

16 minutes ago, red321 said:

And I’m sure plenty of Reagan Republicans still vote team red for the tax cuts (we can jettison the idea any of them actually give a shit about the deficit), and I’m sure many voted for him because they felt they were ignored and left behind...but each and everyone one of them voted for him knowing who he was and what he stood for. 

So in your round about way you admit that no, they (obviously) aren't homogeneous and likely some can be persuaded. Certainly more than enough to sway a national election. But I surmise you rather dehumanize your opponents, be self indulgent and  lower yourself to name calling. If it was just you, no biggie. It's certainly an understandable and reliably predictable human reaction. Trying to emphasize with considerably imperfect strangers, even in the abstract, is never a fun choice. The thought of compromise with those that hold such ideals near impossible. But when you see this behavior at scale and amplified by social media from the only meaningful alternative from Trump and his supporters it loses its charm quite quickly. Instead it becomes a very concerning trend with borderline terrifying consequences.

[gotbeer]

Here comes the but but's.

The UN Admits That The Paris Climate Deal Was A Fraud

Also, it seems we know why Trump is so hellbent on getting more coal production up.  Not for use in the US, but for use abroad where cheap electricity is the only affordable option.  

[UndertheHalo]

I’m sure you and other conservatives would have been thrilled with more binding climate change agreements.

Edited November 3, 2017 by UndertheHalo

[gotbeer]

5 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

I’m sure you and other conservatives would have been thrilled with more binding climate change agreements.

As long as it's across the board, and not just North American and European countries.  

[Amazing Larry]

Third world countries will just lie anyway.

[red321]

36 minutes ago, gotbeer said:

Here comes the but but's.

The UN Admits That The Paris Climate Deal Was A Fraud

Also, it seems we know why Trump is so hellbent on getting more coal production up.  Not for use in the US, but for use abroad where cheap electricity is the only affordable option.  

Well, that certainly was a hot take

Could have just as easily written...Paris Climate Deal was first step, more is needed

 

[UndertheHalo]

28 minutes ago, gotbeer said:

As long as it's across the board, and not just North American and European countries.  

The problem with this idea is that it assumes that the damage has been done equally across the board.  It has not.  The “West” got to fully industrialize.  That’s the way it is.  If we care about doing anything about the problem, we’ll have to shoulder a disproportionate portion of the solution.  We’ll have to subsidize the developing world.  

It boils down to whether we care or not.  Hopefully we do because this is existential stuff. 

Edited November 3, 2017 by UndertheHalo

[Glen]

52 minutes ago, gotbeer said:

Here comes the but but's.

The UN Admits That The Paris Climate Deal Was A Fraud

Also, it seems we know why Trump is so hellbent on getting more coal production up.  Not for use in the US, but for use abroad where cheap electricity is the only affordable option.  

It says that even if every country abides by the grand promises they made last year in Paris to reduce greenhouse gases, the planet would still be "doomed."

[the dude abides]

Looks like Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III is on the hot seat again.

Mango angry!

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trump-hed-fire-attorney-general-jeff-sessions/story?id=50911304

 

[Glen]

23 minutes ago, the dude abides said:

Looks like Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III is on the hot seat again.

Mango angry!

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trump-hed-fire-attorney-general-jeff-sessions/story?id=50911304

 

What a shit show this administration is.

[well_red]

1 hour ago, gotbeer said:

As long as it's across the board, and not just North American and European countries.  

US and China account for something like 45% of all CO2 emmisions, and the top 20 countries on this list account for 80% of all CO2 emmisions.  The "third world" countries hardly make a dent.  But US' per capita amount is almost 3 times that of China.  It's really up to US and China to right the ship, and there is a big messaging problem to China if the US doesn't take the lead, since per capita CO2 emissions are a measure of economic progress etc.

[red321]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/11/03/trump-administration-releases-report-finds-no-convincing-alternative-explanation-for-climate-change/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_climate-215pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

The Trump administration released a dire scientific report Friday detailing the growing threats of climate change. The report stands in stark contrast to the administration’s efforts to downplay humans’ role in global warming, withdraw from an international climate accord and reverse Obama-era policies aimed at curbing U.S. greenhouse-gas output.

The White House did not seek to prevent the release of the government’s National Climate Assessment, which is mandated by law, despite the fact that its findings sharply contradict the administration’s policies. The report affirms that climate change is driven almost entirely by human action, warns of potential sea-level rise as high as eight feet by the year 2100, and enumerates climate-related damage across the United States that is already occurring as a result of 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit of global warming since 1900.

“It is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century,” the document reports. “For the warming over the last century, there is no convincing alternative explanation supported by the extent of the observational evidence.”

 

(link to full report)

https://science2017.globalchange.gov/downloads/CSSR2017_FullReport.pdf

 

[Blarg]

The report affirms that climate change is driven almost entirely by human action, warns of potential sea-level rise as high as eight feet by the year 2100.

The good news is this may eliminate Florida altogether.

[nate]

Just a reminder that the head of the EPA doesn't believe in climate change.  Along with Trump, Pence and everyone else in the admin and almost every non-moderate GOP member of Congress and the Senate

[Rico]

Those southern states along the Gulf should be the most worried about this.

[Amazing Larry]

19 hours ago, nate said:

Just a reminder that the head of the EPA doesn't believe in climate change.

Not true. 

[nate]

6 minutes ago, LHalo said:

Not true. 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/epa-chief-pruitt-refuses-to-link-co2-and-global-warming/

[Amazing Larry]

Where does that say he doesn't believe the climate has changed?

[RallyMo]

1 hour ago, LHalo said:

Where does that say he doesn't believe the climate has changed?

You should probably change your screen name to Lifetime after making that post. Unless your brain walked out your ear during breakfast, you're aware of the context here.

[Amazing Larry]

So you can’t find it either. 

[Tank]

here's the first part of the article. draw your own conclusion on whether he's a climate change denier.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The new head of the Environmental Protection Agency said on Thursday he is not convinced that carbon dioxide from human activity is the main driver of climate change and said he wants Congress to weigh in on whether CO₂ is a harmful pollutant that should be regulated.

In an interview with CNBC, EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt said the Trump administration will make an announcement on fuel efficiency standards for cars "very soon," stressing that he and President Donald Trump believe current standards were rushed through.

Pruitt, 48, is a climate change denier who sued the agency he now leads more than a dozen times as Oklahoma's attorney general. He said he was not convinced that carbon dioxide pollution from burning fossil fuels like oil, gas and coal is the main cause of climate change, a conclusion widely embraced by scientists.

"I think that measuring with precision human activity on the climate is something very challenging to do and there’s tremendous disagreement about the degree of impact," he told CNBC.

"So no, I would not agree that it’s a primary contributor to the global warming that we see," Pruitt said. "But we don’t know that yet, we need to continue to debate, continue the review and analysis.”

[Amazing Larry]

Like I thought. He doesn’t believe that humans are the main factor in climate change. So how does that make someone a climate change denier?

[Jason]

1 hour ago, LHalo said:

Like I thought. He doesn’t believe that humans are the main factor in climate change. So how does that make someone a climate change denier?

Human's being the main factor is the left's talking point here. It's like getting diarrhea from a taco bell chalupa and claiming the sauce as being the main contributor to it.