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[Jason]

For what's it's worth I do not think they should be deported. I think congress needs to make some laws regarding this that helps them become citizens. All legal immigrants should be welcome.

[Spirit]

14 minutes ago, Rico said:

Can someone break a law as a baby?

 

All of them were babies?

 

 

[Rico]

2 minutes ago, Geoff said:

 

All of them were babies?

 

 

As part of the guidelines they had to have entered before the age of 16.  So they were all minors.

[Jason]

4 minutes ago, Rico said:

As part of the guidelines they had to have entered before the age of 16.  So they were all minors.

Honest question. Why haven't they become citizens yet?

[Rico]

Just now, Jason said:

Honest question. Why haven't they become citizens yet?

Because there is no current legal path for them.   What do you want them to do?

Everyone that applied to DACA put an enormous amount of trust in the US government.  This was their path to legality.  Now they are documented and can be rounded up.

 

[Spirit]

26 minutes ago, Rico said:

As part of the guidelines they had to have entered before the age of 16.  So they were all minors.

 

So no.

 

 

[Jason]

11 minutes ago, Rico said:

Because there is no current legal path for them.   What do you want them to do?

Everyone that applied to DACA put an enormous amount of trust in the US government.  This was their path to legality.  Now they are documented and can be rounded up.

 

Obama should never have done this to get their hopes up then. It really wasn't his place to do so. Other individuals become citizens so why can't they?  From what I know (which isn't much) the process is lengthy but if these folks have been here since they were children then they've had time, no? 

[Taylor]

4 hours ago, Jason said:

The one good thing with DACA being rescinded is that the executive branch gave back some power it took from congress. Immigration laws should not come from executive orders. 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/03/06/executive-order-protecting-nation-foreign-terrorist-entry-united-states

[Tank]

3 hours ago, Rico said:

Don't give me some rule of law bullshit.  Not after Trump pardoned Arpaio, an actual criminal.  

Dreamers btw have to go through a background check and have no criminal record.

arpaio being pardoned has zero to do with enforcing immigration laws.

we've reached a point where immigrants are deciding which laws they choose to follow, and citizens are supporting them in this. this will not end well.

why the discussion doesn't focus on revamping our immigration laws is as mysterious to me as stonehenge.

[mtangelsfan]

49 minutes ago, Taylor said:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/03/06/executive-order-protecting-nation-foreign-terrorist-entry-united-states

You are trying to use something Trump did as a good example, or to show that what Obama did was ok?

[red321]

3 hours ago, Geoff said:

 

So no.

 

 

Does that make a difference to you? Whether they were 2, 8, 12 or 16?

[Lou]

9 hours ago, Rico said:

Because there is no current legal path for them.   What do you want them to do?

Everyone that applied to DACA put an enormous amount of trust in the US government.  This was their path to legality.  Now they are documented and can be rounded up.

 

How does DACA provide them with a path to legality? I realize they are considered legal while in the program, but after that? There is no path to citizenship under DACA . 

[Lou]

5 hours ago, red321 said:

Does that make a difference to you? Whether they were 2, 8, 12 or 16?

As an answer to the question asked, yes. 

 

[nate]

Trump gets millions from golf members. CEOs and lobbyists get access to president

[Spirit]

7 hours ago, red321 said:

Does that make a difference to you? Whether they were 2, 8, 12 or 16?

 

It apparently makes a difference to some or else the word baby wouldn't have been used.

I'm more surprised people are comfortable breaking up families.

 

[nate]

10 hours ago, Tank said:

arpaio being pardoned has zero to do with enforcing immigration laws.

we've reached a point where immigrants are deciding which laws they choose to follow, and citizens are supporting them in this. this will not end well.

why the discussion doesn't focus on revamping our immigration laws is as mysterious to me as stonehenge.

Bullshit, it has everything to do with it.

Arapaio was a  law enforcement officer that abused the law and refused to follow it.  The law that he abused?  Immigration and racial profiling.

[Spirit]

43 minutes ago, calscuf said:

But THEYRE MEXICANS.

 

All immigrants here illegally are Mexican!

 

 

[Jason]

 

[tennischmp]

Cat 4 or 5 hurricane about to hit 3 of his properties. $20 he won't be golfing this weekend. 

[Taylor]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/06/schumer-and-pelosi-offer-support-for-harvey-aid-and-debt-limit-boost-242376

I give Trump props for working across party lines. Seriously.

Republicans are pissed.

[Tank]

6 hours ago, nate said:

Bullshit, it has everything to do with it.

Arapaio was a  law enforcement officer that abused the law and refused to follow it.  The law that he abused?  Immigration and racial profiling.

i guess we'll see this differently then. arpaio's situation has little to do with the entirety of illegal immigration, but whatever.

you still didn't address my concerns about immigrants choosing which laws they'll abide by, and the citizens who enable them by supporting their refusal to obey our immigration laws. 

[Thomas]

1 hour ago, Taylor said:

Republicans are pissed.

I wonder...  Lots of theatrics for something the party wouldn't remotely consider doing even if called on their bluff.

[red321]

yeah, I kind of get the idea that they had no idea what to do with the debt ceiling and continuing resolution. This gives them cover...how could they possibly vote against disaster relief, even if it's tied to the debt ceiling.

 

[Thomas]

What?  Screaming about having to cut spending every time the debt ceiling comes up to score points with the base and then eventually going along with it isn't a plan?

[Jason]

6 hours ago, tennischmp said:

Cat 4 or 5 hurricane about to hit 3 of his properties. $20 he won't be golfing this weekend. 

Hello!! They have course around the DC area. Duh