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[mtangelsfan]

10 hours ago, Lou said:

It's the motivation behind the act that is the determination of whether something is a hate crime, not the specific act. If a person is killed because of the color of his skin or the church he attends, to me, that's much more of a heinous crime that if he had been killed because he was wearing a Rolex. 

I don't see it Lou.  You are saying that those victims in the church shooting are more important than kids who are shot during a school shooting.  If I am killing someone, there is a solid chance I hate them.  

[Jason]

1 hour ago, mtangelsfan said:

I don't see it Lou.  You are saying that those victims in the church shooting are more important than kids who are shot during a school shooting.  If I am killing someone, there is a solid chance I hate them.  

That's kind of how see it as well. It's not often someone is murdered or tortured out of love. 

[red321]

1 hour ago, mtangelsfan said:

I don't see it Lou.  You are saying that those victims in the church shooting are more important than kids who are shot during a school shooting.  If I am killing someone, there is a solid chance I hate them.  

I don't think it is saying those victims are more important mt, it speaks at the intent of the crime itself...in the case of hate crimes part of the goal is to intimidate/create fear for a certain segment of the population. In essence similar to terrorism, in that the specific crime is not directed at one specific individual, but rather the victim's entire group.

[RallyMo]

Hah, shocking:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/border-wall-house-republicans-donald-trump-taxpayers/index.html

[mtangelsfan]

9 minutes ago, red321 said:

I don't think it is saying those victims are more important mt, it speaks at the intent of the crime itself...in the case of hate crimes part of the goal is to intimidate/create fear for a certain segment of the population. In essence similar to terrorism, in that the specific crime is not directed at one specific individual, but rather the victim's entire group.

How is that any different than a random home robbery/murder?  Doesn't that instill fear into the entire neighborhood or town?  Its better that they criminal doesn't care that he/she is doing that?  I just think it is a lot of subjective thought. 

[red321]

Because the random home robbery/murder doesn't have sending a message or terrorizing a segment of the community as a specific goal. That's not to say it isn't a specific byproduct, but it's not the intent.

Let's take the Charleston shooting as an example. A specific goal/intention of the crime was to start a race war and instill fear in the black community. As mentioned, it's similar to terrorism in the idea that a specific goal is the instill that fear and panic within a specific segment of the population...the actual crime is almost a secondary component for some.

 

[Glen]

10 hours ago, calscuf said:

Hmmm.  

So if my neighbor was murdered and the killer yelled "die, Mexican!" that's worse than if the killer yelled "die, guy who painted your colonial style house purple and for having 12 relatives living there and for paying extra for replica CA black plates for your Toyota corrolla and for having the greenest lawn on the street and for the 6 cars parked on your driveway!"?

That's an awful lot to shout before the killing commences.

[Thomas]

1 minute ago, Glen said:

That's an awful lot to shout before the killing commences.

James Bond villains disagree.

[Glen]

36 minutes ago, RallyMo said:

Hah, shocking:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/border-wall-house-republicans-donald-trump-taxpayers/index.html

I've already seen the backtracking. "He alwaya meant they'd pay for it later through tariffs and trade stuff."

[Glen]

2 minutes ago, Thomas said:

James Bond villains disagree.

"You got me monologing!"

 

 

[Blarg]

10 hours ago, calscuf said:

Hmmm.  

So if my neighbor was murdered and the killer yelled "die, Mexican!" that's worse than if the killer yelled "die, guy who painted your colonial style house purple and for having 12 relatives living there and for paying extra for replica CA black plates for your Toyota corrolla and for having the greenest lawn on the street and for the 6 cars parked on your driveway!"?

When you put it that way, the guy could have crawled to safety during that monologue and deserves the shovel beating he gets.

[Thomas]

It'll be amazing to watch all these unattainable promises/blatant lies made by Trump and watch his almost all his defenders well...defend it.

[Blarg]

Maybe on his last 13 days in office he will close down Guantanamo. 

[Thomas]

Just now, Blarg said:

Maybe on his last 13 days in office he will close down Guantanamo. 

Weird how that wasn't even an major issue in the election. Is that damn thing ever going to close. I'm amazed a state hasn't agreed to host prisoners in return for massive federal money in return.

[Glen]

19 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Maybe on his last 13 days in office he will close down Guantanamo. 

 

[UndertheHalo]

Great work Donald. 

 

 

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Donald J. Trump 

 

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Wow, the ratings are in and Arnold Schwarzenegger got "swamped" (or destroyed) by comparison to the ratings machine, DJT. So much for....

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being a movie star-and that was season 1 compared to season 14. Now compare him to my season 1. But who cares, he supported Kasich & Hillary

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[Amazing Larry]

2 hours ago, Glen said:

I've already seen the backtracking. "He alwaya meant they'd pay for it later through tariffs and trade stuff."

That was said before the election even happened.

[Amazing Larry]

21 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Great work Donald. 

 

 

 Follow

Donald J. Trump 

 

✔@realDonaldTrump

Wow, the ratings are in and Arnold Schwarzenegger got "swamped" (or destroyed) by comparison to the ratings machine, DJT. So much for....

4:34 AM - 6 Jan 2017

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Donald J. Trump 

 

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being a movie star-and that was season 1 compared to season 14. Now compare him to my season 1. But who cares, he supported Kasich & Hillary

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Childish

[Jason]

44 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Great work Donald. 

 

 

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Donald J. Trump 

 

✔@realDonaldTrump

Wow, the ratings are in and Arnold Schwarzenegger got "swamped" (or destroyed) by comparison to the ratings machine, DJT. So much for....

4:34 AM - 6 Jan 2017

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being a movie star-and that was season 1 compared to season 14. Now compare him to my season 1. But who cares, he supported Kasich & Hillary

4:42 AM - 6 Jan 2017

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He really needs to delete his account

[mtangelsfan]

He is a child.  There is no two ways about it.  A petulant, spoiled man-child is going to be our president.

Way to go America.

[RallyMo]

2 hours ago, Blarg said:

Look over there!

I looked. Nope.

[red321]

Washington Post has actually started a new feature.

I'd make up a title, but I think there's is hard to top

What Trump Got Wrong on Twitter This Week

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/06/what-trump-got-wrong-on-twitter-this-week/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_factchecker-815am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

 

[Lou]

13 hours ago, calscuf said:

Hmmm.  

So if my neighbor was murdered and the killer yelled "die, Mexican!" that's worse than if the killer yelled "die, guy who painted your colonial style house purple and for having 12 relatives living there and for paying extra for replica CA black plates for your Toyota corrolla and for having the greenest lawn on the street and for the 6 cars parked on your driveway!"?

[Thomas]

55 minutes ago, Lawrence said:

Childish

No. Deliberate. Distracting from:
 

Trump may ask whoever he wants, but still neither myself nor Mexico are going to pay for his racist monument.
Another promise he can't keep.

— Vicente Fox Quesada (@VicenteFoxQue) January 6, 2017

[Lou]

5 hours ago, mtangelsfan said:

don't see it Lou.  You are saying that those victims in the church shooting are more important than kids who are shot during a school shooting.

 

No, I'm not.

 

3 hours ago, red321 said:

I don't think it is saying those victims are more important mt, it speaks at the intent of the crime itself...in the case of hate crimes part of the goal is to intimidate/create fear for a certain segment of the population. In essence similar to terrorism, in that the specific crime is not directed at one specific individual, but rather the victim's entire group.

 

Exactly