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[Adam]

Ayn Rand conservatism? Shapiro? Huh? Are we talking about the same guy?

[UndertheHalo]

1 minute ago, Adam said:

Ayn Rand conservatism? Shapiro? Huh? Are we talking about the same guy?

Absolutely. 

[Adam]

Is that brand of conservatism ironically named on purpose?

[UndertheHalo]

5 minutes ago, Adam said:

Is that brand of conservatism ironically named on purpose?

Ayn Rand shaped a lot of current libertarian thought. It’s conservative.  I think it’s an apt description. 

Edited August 23, 2018 by UndertheHalo

[Adam]

Maybe for sects of libertarianism but definitely not conservatism. I don’t think either Shapiro or the Randians would like your label lol.

i like Shapiro’s fundamental principles and I think he is very fair minded but I think he sees way too much utility for government.

And he’s in the business of provocation so I can see why he turns a lot of people off.

[UndertheHalo]

4 minutes ago, Adam said:

Maybe for sects of libertarianism but definitely not conservatism. I don’t think either Shapiro or the Randians would like your label lol.

i like Shapiro’s fundamental principles and I think he is very fair minded but I think he sees way too much utility for government.

And he’s in the business of provocation so I can see why he turns a lot of people off.

I’m sure you know more about him then I do.  When I’ve seen him talk he strikes me that way.  Anyway, I’m willing to concede that maybe I’m not entirely correct on his broad philosophy.  

Like I’ve said, I’ve seen him talk on several occasions.  I don’t care for it ever.  So I don’t seek him out.  It’s not the mindless “hate” that Lou is talking about though. 

Edited August 23, 2018 by UndertheHalo

[Rico]

52 minutes ago, Lou said:

false

https://cis.org/Testimony/Fiscal-and-Economic-Impact-Immigration-United-States

What buffoonery is this?  In the first paragraph they admit immigrants grow the economy, then they use shaky logic to try to say that is a bad thing. lol 

[Blarg]

2 hours ago, Adam said:

I don't know why lefties hate Ben Shapiro so much. He breaks this Trump stuff down really fairly. 

 

He really sold me.

On Tommy John underwear.

[Adam]

23 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

I’m sure you know more about him then I do.  When I’ve seen him talk he strikes me that way.  Anyway, I’m willing to concede that maybe I’m not entirely correct on his broad philosophy.  

Like I’ve said, I’ve seen him talk on several occasions.  I don’t care for it ever.  So I don’t seek him out.  It’s not the mindless “hate” that Lou is talking about though. 

There are like 15 parties/groups within the libertarian party. Probably 2-3 of those groups would line up with Shapiro on more than Half of his positions. He’s actually a conservative. I don’t think we have any of those in federal office these days.

[Tank]

2 hours ago, Rico said:

They put in far more into the economy than whatever tax burden you think they have on the state.

Have you been to an ER in the last ten years?

[Rico]

28 minutes ago, Tank said:

Have you been to an ER in the last ten years?

Yes.  I went to Kaiser's ER a few months ago for my dad.  Mid evening and there were only a handful of people there. Everyone was processed through pretty quickly. 

[Jason]

Shapiro definitely isn't a Trump apologist. He'll call him out on his BS and praise him when warranted 

[Rico]

13 minutes ago, Rico said:

Yes.  I went to Kaiser's ER a few months ago for my dad.  Mid evening and there were only a handful of people there. Everyone was processed through pretty quickly. 

The unfortunate part is Kaiser refuses to do anything for my dad.  He had to go to Mexico last year and pay out of pocket for back surgery because Kaiser only thinks about their bottom line.

[Lou]

2 hours ago, UndertheHalo said:

Or maybe it’s because the politics he espouses is basically the same as the ayn rand brand of conservativism.  I’ve heard plenty from Ben Shapiro and his fan club and im not particularly interested in hearing more.  I understand what he’s about and disagree with almost everything he advocates. 

If he provided you an unbiased description of the Cohen stuff then that’s nice. 

lol ayn rand? 

did you watch the video? 

[Blarg]

No, he's heard plenty from that no good Jew. 

[Amazing Larry]

50 minutes ago, Rico said:

Yes.  I went to Kaiser's ER a few months ago for my dad.  Mid evening and there were only a handful of people there. Everyone was processed through pretty quickly. 

Did you buy a lottery ticket afterward?

[Lou]

2 hours ago, Rico said:

What buffoonery is this?  In the first paragraph they admit immigrants grow the economy, then they use shaky logic to try to say that is a bad thing. lol 

no, that's not what it does.

here you go :

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/homeland-security/352869-the-cost-of-illegal-immigration-to-taxpayers-is-growing

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/fact-check/2018/06/26/paul-gosar-how-much-do-undocumented-immigrants-cost-economy/691997002/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/record-135-billion-a-year-for-illegal-immigration-average-8-075-each-25-000-in-ny

 

you made the claim stating the opposite. where's your proof?

 

 

 

[Rico]

17 minutes ago, Lou said:

 

you made the claim stating the opposite. where's your proof?

 

Your own link states immigrants grow the us economy by 1.6 trillion. 

[arch stanton]

6 hours ago, Jason said:

 

Isn't it possible to have the their labor, that the US needs, without them being here illegally? There has to be a good way to allow them to temporarily work and live here with proper vetting as well.

If they’re legal they’re automatically more expensive to their employers. While they’re illegal the cost to employers is to listen to us complaining about how much services to illegal immigrants cost us

[Tank]

29 minutes ago, Rico said:

Your own link states immigrants grow the us economy by 1.6 trillion. 

but that's not the only result of having them in california.

[Lou]

33 minutes ago, Rico said:

Your own link states immigrants grow the us economy by 1.6 trillion. 

that includes legal immigrants. read the other links.

still waiting on you to back your claim 

[Tank]

1 hour ago, Rico said:

Yes.  I went to Kaiser's ER a few months ago for my dad.  Mid evening and there were only a handful of people there. Everyone was processed through pretty quickly. 

consider yourself incredibly lucky. 

https://projects.propublica.org/emergency/state/CA

http://newsroom.acep.org/2009-01-04-emergency-department-wait-times-crowding-and-access-fact-sheet

[Lou]

2 hours ago, Tank said:

Have you been to an ER in the last ten years?

they're a clusterf*ck. the hospital is less than 4 miles from my mom's house and every time I even think she might need to go I call for an ambulance so she doesn't have to wait for hours. 

[Lou]

1 hour ago, Rico said:

Yes.  I went to Kaiser's ER a few months ago for my dad.  Mid evening and there were only a handful of people there. Everyone was processed through pretty quickly. 

 

1 hour ago, Rico said:

The unfortunate part is Kaiser refuses to do anything for my dad.  He had to go to Mexico last year and pay out of pocket for back surgery because Kaiser only thinks about their bottom line.

 

now we know why there were only a handful of people there.

hope your dad is doing better. 

[Tank]

there are clearly times when things move quicker, but knowing when those times are is a total crapshoot. in glendale, our ER at Adventist Health is consistently full and the wait times extended. We've learned that it's quicker to go to Verdugo Hills USC if you want to be seen sooner (but it's still not quick).