SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19

[Don]

12 minutes ago, angelinkc said:

Damn I’m starving now. I miss the old days when gates was at Kauffman 

Dude, the Gates fries were the best at Kauffman. They were like $3.50 for a giant box of steak fries with Gates sauce poured all over them. This is back in like ‘05-‘10. That deal could not be beat.

[Redondo]

Trump to sign executive order temporarily banning immigration, draws ire from Dems

The precise contours of the president's planned executive order were not immediately clear. The White House did not immediately elaborate on Trump's tweeted announcement.

Politico reported that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) was still working out the details of the executive order, and that an exemption for temporary guest workers, including farm workers, was under consideration.

A top DHS official told the outlet that “22 million unemployed Americans and counting due to COVID-19" had prompted Trump to act.

Due to the pandemic, almost all visa processing by the State Department, including immigrant visas, has been suspended for weeks.

Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Arizona, applauded the planned executive order, and suggested a total immigration suspension should continue indefinitely. "Thank you, @realDonaldTrump!" he wrote. "All immigration to the United States should halt until every American who wants a job has one!"

"Given tens of millions of Americans are out of work right now and we’re battling a virus that spreads through human-to-human transmission I am dying to hear one coherent argument against this," wrote Spectator USA's Washington editor Amber Athey.

Rep. Don Beyer, D-Va., meanwhile, said Trump was looking for "someone to blame for his own failure."

"Immigration has nearly stopped and the US has far more cases than any other country," Beyer wrote, without adjusting his statistic to consider the larger population in the United States. "This is just xenophobic scapegoating."

Added Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif.: "Trump failed to take this crisis seriously from day 1. His abandonment of his role as president has cost lives. And now, he's shamelessly politicizing this pandemic to double down on his anti-immigrant agenda. Enough, Mr. President. The American people are fed up."

Aside from the pending immigration ban, the U.S. has already enacted a slew of entry restrictions. The U.S. recently agreed with both Canada and Mexico to extend border restrictions on nonessential travel for another 30 days, through May 16 and May 19, respectively. And, the president already has blocked most travel from other hotspots, including most of Europe, Iran, South Korea, and China.

However, people with temporary work visas, students and business travelers were exempted, along with emergency personnel.

More than 750,000 Americans have come down with COVID-19 and more than 42,000 have died. On Monday, the U.S. government said it will continue to quickly expel migrants it encounters along the border with Mexico for at least another month in response to the COVID-19 outbreak.

Under the U.S. policy change spurred by the virus, the U.S. government has sent some 10,000 Mexicans and Central Americans back to Mexico, according to data from the U.S.Border Patrol.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) says that more than 100 migrants at 25 detention centers have tested positive for COVID-19. Guatemala claims that 44 migrants deported from the U.S. tested positive.

Monday's immigration suspension was likely to draw legal challenges, and reignite an already heated debate over travel restrictions. On Jan. 31, Trump issued the "Proclamation on Suspension of Entry as Immigrants and Nonimmigrants of Persons who Pose a Risk of Transmitting 2019 Novel Coronavirus," blocking most travel from China -- and at the time, Democrats harshly criticized the move.

Within hours, Joe Biden campaigned in Iowa and told the crowd that Americans “need to have a president who they can trust what he says about it, that he is going to act rationally about it. ... This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia – hysterical xenophobia – and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science.”

Months later, Biden said he supported the China travel ban.

[angelinkc]

2 hours ago, Brandon said:

Damn, that would have been epic. I am trying to think, but don't think I have ever eaten there.

I remember looking far and wide to find Guinness there, That was the day they did a special.....the A's were in town and it was also the season opener for the Chiefs. We tailgated in a special parking lot, watch the baseball game, tailgated again, and the watched the Chiefs stomp the Chargers 21-7 in the rain.....which in early September with the humidity was basically a warm shower. Good times.

 

I have not been to any games the last 4-5 years. Gates was there until they remodeled. Even better you could smoke and still watch the game. Probably could have done crack they were so hard up for fans

[Stradling]

For you dudes trying to win @Louover with great BBQ, he isn’t a foody.  Get him some average BBQ from Lucilles and some old reruns of Barney Miller and Chico and the Man and he will be happy.  

[gotbeer]

Coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different strains new study finds

[Taylor]

This thread has mutated into SARS-BBQ-2.

[Taylor]

Quote

Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Arizona, applauded the planned executive order, and suggested a total immigration suspension should continue indefinitely. "Thank you, @realDonaldTrump!" he wrote. "All immigration to the United States should halt until every American who wants a job has one!"

Wait, I thought Republicans were only opposed to illegal immigration, not legal immigration.

[RallyMo]

A worthwhile read:

 

[red321]

11 hours ago, Lou said:

St. Louis.

Think about it.

crappy city...but does have a nice cajun restaurant and great prime rib

[Chuck]

We have some snitches up here calling in the local police on folks riding their bikes, jogging or walking the dog on a trail that's 10-12 feet wide. People are not gathered around talking, they're moving and exercising. Getting out, which is healthy. But we have some neighbor Nazi's out there, or like the Gov of Michigan. This shit needs to stop. 

Anyhow, this a good article from Zeynep Tufecki, who is an associate professor at the University of North Carolina, and a faculty associate at the Harvard Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society. She studies the interaction between digital technology, artificial intelligence, and society. She says:

"The outdoors and sunshine are such strong factors in fighting viral infections that a 2009 study of the extraordinary success of outdoor hospitals during the 1918 influenza epidemic suggested that during the next pandemic (I guess this one!) we should encourage “the public to spend as much time outdoors as possible,” as a public-health measure."

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/closing-parks-ineffective-pandemic-theater/609580/

[Chuck]

Also, from now on let's use the above post of mine to model how we post articles here. A snippet of the article, a talking point, or not, but then a link to the full story. 

This way the writer gets credit for their work by online hits. That's what pays the bills for these outlets and I for one can respect that. 

Thanks dudes! 

[Taylor]

1 hour ago, VladdyMo said:

A worthwhile read:

 

Horrible.

This is what pure capitalism does. Rich people get richer and exploit those who do the dangerous and difficult work.

[red321]

17 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

We have some snitches up here calling in the local police on folks riding their bikes, jogging or walking the dog on a trail that's 10-12 feet wide. People are not gathered around talking, they're moving and exercising. Getting out, which is healthy. But we have some neighbor Nazi's out there, or like the Gov of Michigan. This shit needs to stop. 

Anyhow, this a good article from Zeynep Tufecki, who is an associate professor at the University of North Carolina, and a faculty associate at the Harvard Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society. She studies the interaction between digital technology, artificial intelligence, and society. She says:

"The outdoors and sunshine are such strong factors in fighting viral infections that a 2009 study of the extraordinary success of outdoor hospitals during the 1918 influenza epidemic suggested that during the next pandemic (I guess this one!) we should encourage “the public to spend as much time outdoors as possible,” as a public-health measure."

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/closing-parks-ineffective-pandemic-theater/609580/

Why is the governor of Michigan a nazi?

[m0nkey]

I'm a few pages behind, but if Brandon can call people c*nts then I want KC calling people fags and cock suckers

[Chuck]

42 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

We have some snitches up here calling in the local police on folks riding their bikes, jogging or walking the dog on a trail that's 10-12 feet wide. People are not gathered around talking, they're moving and exercising. Getting out, which is healthy. But we have some neighbor Nazi's out there, or like the Gov of Michigan. This shit needs to stop. 

Anyhow, this a good article from Zeynep Tufecki, who is an associate professor at the University of North Carolina, and a faculty associate at the Harvard Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society. She studies the interaction between digital technology, artificial intelligence, and society. She says:

"The outdoors and sunshine are such strong factors in fighting viral infections that a 2009 study of the extraordinary success of outdoor hospitals during the 1918 influenza epidemic suggested that during the next pandemic (I guess this one!) we should encourage “the public to spend as much time outdoors as possible,” as a public-health measure."

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/closing-parks-ineffective-pandemic-theater/609580/

More on this

 

[Chuck]

27 minutes ago, red321 said:

Why is the governor of Michigan a nazi?

There's an entire separate thread on that power tripping biatch. Let's not derail the topic. 

Do you agree with the study that I posted or do you think your Gov. is your supreme leader and knows what's best for you and yours?

[Stradling]

16 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

I'm a few pages behind, but if Brandon can call people c*nts then I want KC calling people fags and cock suckers

I disagree

[Chuck]

 

[Angel Oracle]

A question I have been asking people is:

Which is the worst scenario?    Gradually opening things up come May 1 (like having every other table occupied in restaurants), and see what happens with the weather warming up?   Or stay mainly shut down for a year, and have a Great Depression of our minds/health and money wise, which in turn could lead to a lot of deaths in its' own right?     Problem is, both sides only see it their way, and no fair compromise seems possible.

Does Dr. Fauci really think the ENTIRE country needs to be tested?    He is well respected, but can't we get a good feel for things if even 1/4 of the country (throughout the 50 states) is tested?

Chuck brought up a great point, and thank you to the author for that article, about fresh air and exercise.   

People say that staying indoors will keep people healthy.    But, if they stay inside, they could become obese from lack of fresh air and exercise and overeating.   That in turn could lead to other life endangering health issues.  

[Chuck]

4 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

A question I have been asking people is:

Which is the worst scenario?    Gradually opening things up come May 1 (like having every other table occupied in restaurants), and see what happens with the weather warming up?   Or stay mainly shut down for a year, and have a Great Depression of our minds/health and money wise, which in turn could lead to a lot of deaths in its' own right?     Problem is, both sides only see it their way, and no fair compromise seems possible.

Does Dr. Fauci really think the ENTIRE country needs to be tested?    He is well respected, but can't we get a good feel for things if even 1/4 of the country (throughout the 50 states) is tested?

Chuck brought up a great point, and thank you to the author for that article, about fresh air and exercise.   

People say that staying indoors will keep people healthy.    But, if they stay inside, they could become obese from lack of fresh air and exercise and overeating.   That in turn could lead to other life endangering health issues.  

You have a better chance at spreading germs in tight areas like your house than you do being outside. 

Also, many scientific studies have shown that staying inside is terrible for your mental health. Suicide rates go up as well. 

Get out folks! Just don't be stupid and go out if you're sick.

[Adam]

Golf courses are starting to open up. Thank God

[gotbeer]

1 hour ago, Chuckster70 said:

We have some snitches up here calling in the local police on folks riding their bikes, jogging or walking the dog on a trail that's 10-12 feet wide. People are not gathered around talking, they're moving and exercising. Getting out, which is healthy. But we have some neighbor Nazi's out there, or like the Gov of Michigan. This shit needs to stop. 

Anyhow, this a good article from Zeynep Tufecki, who is an associate professor at the University of North Carolina, and a faculty associate at the Harvard Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society. She studies the interaction between digital technology, artificial intelligence, and society. She says:

"The outdoors and sunshine are such strong factors in fighting viral infections that a 2009 study of the extraordinary success of outdoor hospitals during the 1918 influenza epidemic suggested that during the next pandemic (I guess this one!) we should encourage “the public to spend as much time outdoors as possible,” as a public-health measure."

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/closing-parks-ineffective-pandemic-theater/609580/

It's going to be 90 degrees this weekend.  I'm going camping.  Although it should be interesting watching the fuzz enforce the beach restrictions when the city is that hot.  A lot of poor people are going to bake in their homes.

[St1ck]

14 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

 

Who would ever blame a sitting president for such a thing.

Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "Ebola has been confirmed in N.Y.C., with officials frantically trying to find all of the people and things he had contact with.Obama's fault" / Twitter
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/525472979443273728?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^525472979443273728|twgr^&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-15113762232601818935.ampproject.net%2F2004030010070%2Fframe.html

[Angel Oracle]

Snitching is reminding people of what the Nazis had their own citizens do in the 1930s and 1940s. 

Also, more and more statistical studies are coming out that are saying that the eventual mortality rate from CoVid-19 may only be 0.2-0.3%, once a lot more tests are done and not every death is attributed to CoVid19. 

[Adam]

The American Elite are going to be more sympathetic and considerate of the Chinese Elite than they will with the American people.