Heyman on Trout, not good...

[Angelsjunky]

So what happens if he gets injured? What if the trickles of shifting economics in baseball turn into a stream and then river?

In other words, if you're Trout, why wouldn't you get your guaranteed $400 million and still get to leave if you want, albeit two years later - but still at an age (31) when you can sign another big one?

Worst-case scenario for Trout if he signs that contract is that he has to stay in Anaheim for an extra two years, during a time of rebuilding when the team should be getting better, just maybe not at the pace he'd like.

Worst-case scenario if he doesn't sign that contract is that he gets injured and/or declines from his current level and/or the economy contracts, and he faces a much reduced contract in 2021.

[GrittyVeterans]

3 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

So what happens if he gets injured? What if the trickles of shifting economics in baseball turn into a stream and then river?

In other words, if you're Trout, why wouldn't you get your guaranteed $400 million and still get to leave if you want, albeit two years later - but still at an age (31) when you can sign another big one?

Worst-case scenario for Trout if he signs that contract is that he has to stay in Anaheim for an extra two years, during a time of rebuilding when the team should be getting better, just maybe not at the pace he'd like.

Worst-case scenario if he doesn't sign that contract is that he gets injured and/or declines from his current level and/or the economy contracts, and he faces a much reduced contract in 2021.

Like I said, you have no idea that he doesn't want to test the market as soon as possible. You are basing your opinion solely on the assumption that he's fine staying here for at least an additional two seasons. 

Which sounds nice, but hasn't been confirmed to be true yet. He might still be deciding.

[HBMike]

23 minutes ago, GrittyVeterans said:

Disagree. He can get 10/400 from any team. He wouldn't be foolish to want to get his pick of where he plays. 

If he truly only wants to be an Angel, then it's a different story.

But it's not "foolish" for him to want to test the market

Not when he will be turning 30 and starting his decline years 2 to 3 years in and no DH in the NL. No team will offer him that. 

[Docwaukee]

Heyman's tweet is that an extension now is unlikely.  Not that an extension is now unlikely.  

That's an important distinction and could make sense.  

As much as I believe in what Eppler is doing, Trout wants to win and the Angels are putting a fair amount of stock in the farm to do so.  

So while  it may not be as important where the halos finish in the standings for 2019 and 2020, what is important is how that farm system develops and perhaps even starts to contribute.  

If winning is his #1 priority and the team is relying on a bunch of unknown yet promising commodities having a significant impact on his future, it's not totally unreasonable that he would want to wait another year to find out how that plays out.  Or maybe even longer.  

It sucks as I'd like to lock him up long term as soon as possible, but it actually makes some sense.  

He's gonna get the biggest baseball contract ever from someone.  As much as I'd like it to be the Halos, waiting only gives him more information about where his best situation is going to be.  

Is there some risk in that?  Sure.  But probably not a ton for Trout.  

It comes with the nature of the plan.  Is Jo Adell a superstar?  Can Rengifo or Jones provide above avg production at 2b.  Will Canning settle in as a #2 starter.  Do Ward or Fletcher or Thaiss have what it takes.  Will the Angels be willing to spend the necessary money to fill gaps and will the available players to do so be willing to come here. 

There are a lot of unanswered questions right now.  Time is the great predictor.   

[IheartLA]

Trout is going to be 29 when he's a FA. I really don't think he gets a ten year deal in today's climate. In his last season he would turn 39 years old in August.

[Second Base]

The Angels front office is airtight, so much that the local guys don't have inside info. Trout obviously doesn't talk to the media. His agent has never been one to make a media spectacle of his clients.

Whoever is whispering into Heyman's ear, they aren't from Trout, his representation, or the organization. 

Hyman doesn't know crap.  

[Docwaukee]

2 minutes ago, IheartLA said:

Trout is going to be 29 when he's a FA. I really don't think he gets a ten year deal in today's climate. In his last season he would turn 39 years old in August.

he's a market disruptor and a lot of rules go out the window for him.  you basically have to go above any market ceiling by a decent amount for the total number and then spread it out over an number of years.  In other words, you're paying him 400m .  Whether you spread that out over 10 years, 8 years, 12 years, whatever.  The longer you can spread it out, the better.  

[Second Base]

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/ruben-amaro-jon-heyman-wrong-quite-bit

https://deadspin.com/josh-donaldsons-agent-says-jon-heyman-is-full-of-crap-1828867831

https://www.thegoodphight.com/2018/5/17/17365716/jon-heyman-published-a-dumb-rumor-about-gabe-kapler

and there are more where these came from. Jon Heyman is full of crap and a liar.

[HBMike]

5 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

he's a market disruptor and a lot of rules go out the window for him.  you basically have to go above any market ceiling by a decent amount for the total number and then spread it out over an number of years.  In other words, you're paying him 400m .  Whether you spread that out over 10 years, 8 years, 12 years, whatever.  The longer you can spread it out, the better.  

No team will give him 400m, you’ve been listening to the fake news. The largest contract is 320m by a owner who wanted to sell his team. Won’t happen. 350m maybe, if the Angels extend him this year. 

[Angelsjunky]

12 minutes ago, Second Base said:

Hymen doesn't know crap until its too late.

Fixed.

[Angelsjunky]

1 minute ago, HBMike said:

No team will give him 400m, you’ve been listening to the fake news. The largest contract is 320m by a owner who wanted to sell his team. Won’t happen. 350m maybe, if the Angels extend him this year. 

If Trout hit the market today, he'd easily get $400M. Easily.

But in 2021? Things can change quickly - Trout can get injured, have a bad year, the economy stutters, etc. But right now there are half a dozen teams that would pay $400M, so that he'd end up being to player wherever he wanted, for 10/$400M or even up to 12/$500M.

[jordan]

It would be a bit upsetting if the Phillies get both Harper and Trout when the Angels have that opportunity now. 

[Lou]

Trout doesn't want to go to Philadelphia because they haven't shown that they want to win. 

[UndertheHalo]

This is entirely on the Angels.  If they want to sign him they need to not f**k around and give him his big ass contract ASAP.  If they play games and wait for him to approach FA, there’s a chance they’ll lose him.  It’s that simple.  We need to see what happens with Harper and Machado.  That’s when we can seriously start thinking about what they’re doing. 

 this Heyman tweet is just BS.  It’s slow as hell and he needs something to write about.  Like no shit, if he goes to FA a big money team will go after him.  A few weeks ago they were guaranteeing that Harper or Machado would be Phillies.  Hasn’t happened yet.  So this is the obvious story line. 

Edited January 16, 2019 by UndertheHalo

[Sully151]

I only believe what I read on reddit.

[jessecrall]

It's entirely reasonable for Trout to wait another year to see how the Angels look moving forward. The Angels will be competitive financially and they have a strong fan base/market. If the Angels look like a strong team with a young core by the end of 2019, I'd be surprised if he didn't sign. 

[mulwin444]

Considering this is more unconfirmed Trout-related "torture porn", it's no shock who started this thread.

[Lou]

11 minutes ago, mulwin444 said:

Considering this is more unconfirmed Trout-related "torture porn", it's no shock who started this thread.

. . . as everybody scrambles to read the OP

[ettin]

19 minutes ago, mulwin444 said:

Considering this is more unconfirmed Trout-related "torture porn", it's no shock who started this thread.

 

6 minutes ago, Lou said:

. . . as everybody scrambles to read the OP

I particulary like how he added the 'Not Good' to drive everyone in to read what was a bunch of garbage nonsense from Heyman.

[Lou]

2 minutes ago, ettin said:

 

I particulary like how he added the 'Not Good' to drive everyone in to read what was a bunch of garbage nonsense from Heyman.

Ha. 

at this point aren't the terms "flop" and "not good" redundant?

[Docwaukee]

again, I think the Tweet was interpreted as Trout not being willing to sign an extension whereas it really only implies that he might wait and not sign it this year.    

[Angel Oracle]

3 hours ago, Dtwncbad said:

The whispers are that Jon Heyman is hearing whispers in his head.

Careless whispers?

[Jeff Fletcher]

3 hours ago, Stradling said:

Hey @Jeff Fletcher any thoughts?

I'm not buying it.

My understanding is the talks with Trout were going to start after Machado and Harper sign. Since they probably haven't started, I don't know how anyone can say a deal is "unlikely." 

Also, whispers?

[Chuck]

4 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

I'm not buying it.

My understanding is the talks with Trout were going to start after Machado and Harper sign. Since they probably haven't started, I don't know how anyone can say a deal is "unlikely." 

Also, whispers?

As George Michael would say, they're Careless Whispers.

[Blarg]

Chuck can you spread some twitter rumors/whispers that Jon Heyman is getting a divorce? That his wife wants to explore free agency because his performance has been sub-par and she's all about winning. Then tag all of the Philadelphia sports writers saying she is going to look into their community since it is close to home.