"The Root of the Angels' Problems..."

[Blarg]

You've wandered off track, this isn't the gameday thread. 

[mulwin444]

26 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

I don’t know if anyone addressed this in the next four pages, but this is all still related to trying to climb out of the farm system hole. 

If you aren’t producing your own players, you take what you get from other teams. And they are often old, broken or both. 

JC Ramírez, Blake Wood, Parker Bridwell... all acquired for nothing because the Angels were desperate to fill holes. 

Guess what: all broken. 

You cant produce your own everyday players and you can’t pay for prime free agents (because you spent it all on Pujols, Hamilton, which also cost you draft picks), so who is left?

Espinosa, Valbuena, Cozart, Kinsler, David Murphy, Yunel Escobar, Matt Joyce.

All have something wrong with them because the players who don’t a) require good prospects to acquire or b) cost a lot of money. 

Oh, and the reason you all hate Scioscia is because he never plays his young players, but it’s maybe because those young players are no good and he knows it. 

It all goes back to a bad farm system. 

I think that's the disconnect between your average fan and the front office.  They look at Ward, Theiss, JMF, Rengifo, etc, see them hitting well in AA/AAA and think "why are we suffering through Valbuena/Marte when we got these guys?".  There is no one saying "look, they're doing great and progressing but they're not ready".

[WeatherWonk]

59 minutes ago, Blarg said:

You've wandered off track, this isn't the gameday thread. 

My God, I have.

Damn chardonnay!

[Vegas Halo Fan]

On 8/3/2018 at 10:18 AM, floplag said:

I dont think you can say there is any one root to our issues or what led to them, its a hydra of problems.

I am stealing that expression.

[Tank]

6 hours ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

I don’t know if anyone addressed this in the next four pages, but this is all still related to trying to climb out of the farm system hole. 

If you aren’t producing your own players, you take what you get from other teams. And they are often old, broken or both. 

JC Ramírez, Blake Wood, Parker Bridwell... all acquired for nothing because the Angels were desperate to fill holes. 

Guess what: all broken. 

You cant produce your own everyday players and you can’t pay for prime free agents (because you spent it all on Pujols, Hamilton, which also cost you draft picks), so who is left?

Espinosa, Valbuena, Cozart, Kinsler, David Murphy, Yunel Escobar, Matt Joyce.

All have something wrong with them because the players who don’t a) require good prospects to acquire or b) cost a lot of money. 

Oh, and the reason you all hate Scioscia is because he never plays his young players, but it’s maybe because those young players are no good and he knows it. 

It all goes back to a bad farm system. 

thank you for sharing your insights on all of this. i greatly appreciate how you can fill in the often considerable gaps in our collective knowledge, and i appreciate that you're willing to share what you know.

[Tank]

5 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

He should market a big & big clothing line. 

or big & lousy

or big & pissy

[Jeff Fletcher]

5 hours ago, DMVol said:

@Jeff Fletcher  Jeff: It wasn’t just the draft....Any thoughts on why they also ignored international signings? Still inexplicable to me....

Yeah. That was happening before my time so I’m not sure why it happened. But it is one of the reasons for the farm system’s deterioration.

International signings and the draft are the two ways you get good prospects and the Angels did poorly at both. 

The third way is by trading major leaguers and rebuilding but that’s another thing the Angels have never really done