Does Eppler realize how stupid this is?

[Inside Pitch]

2 minutes ago, Blarg said:

I said this about three years ago, Relief pitchers are flakes and Inside Pitch laughed but also agreed.

Because it's true.

[mulwin444]

58 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

You know..   I think it's fair to say it IS luck in the sense that the process points you towards guys and then you hope the volatility God's smile down on you that year.   Take the two lists people have put up -- it's hard to argue that any of those guys doing completely shit are shitty relievers but....  they sure have been shitty.   

Again, I think our issue is that we are still feeling the effects of having had a horse-dung farm system that lacked even failed started to convert to RPs..   When the volatility gods gave us the thumbs down -- we lacked the bodies to throw in there in hopes of getting "lucky".

Another thing that is crazy is the games pitched by these guys so far.  We're not even half way into the season and here's the games pitched so far:

Noe Ramirez - 37 games 45.2 IP

Blake Parker - 36 games 38 IP

Cam Bedrosian - 38 games 35.2 IP

Jose Alvarez - 39 games 34 IP

Justin Anderson - 27 games 27 IP

Jim Johnson - 33 games 34.1 IP

Remember Scot "Rubber Arm" Shields? From 2004 - 2008, he averaged 69 games and 85 IP in that time frame.

These guys are getting a work out, hence the recent influx of "relievers with options"...

 

[T.G.]

8 of the 13 guys on the pitching staff today were not on the opening day roster...

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, True Grich said:

So... even Fernando Salas has a chance at being good some day?

I wouldn't go that far.

[Blarg]

1 hour ago, mulwin444 said:

Another thing that is crazy is the games pitched by these guys so far.  We're not even half way into the season and here's the games pitched so far:

Noe Ramirez - 37 games 45.2 IP

Blake Parker - 36 games 38 IP

Cam Bedrosian - 38 games 35.2 IP

Jose Alvarez - 39 games 34 IP

Justin Anderson - 27 games 27 IP

Jim Johnson - 33 games 34.1 IP

Remember Scot "Rubber Arm" Shields? From 2004 - 2008, he averaged 69 games and 85 IP in that time frame.

These guys are getting a work out, hence the recent influx of "relievers with options"...

 

I was just thinking that when looking up how many guys have toed the rubber. Our core relievers are putting in a lot of innings and are going to wear out unless the starters start putting up more of their own innings.

Edited June 25, 2018 by Blarg

[Dick B Back]

Cam’s last few games have looked pretty good but we know from experience he’s just f’ing with us.

[mulwin444]

20 minutes ago, Blarg said:

I was just thinking that when looking up how many guys have toed the rubber. Our core relievers are putting in a lot of innings and are going to wear out unless the starters start putting up more of their own innings.

I think you are starting to see Heaney and Skaggs stretch out to 7 to 8 IP and around 110 pitches (if required) but having Barris, Lamb, and Pena average 5 IP a piece is tough game plan around if your core group was already logging a good amount of innings earlier trying to Richards, Ohtani, and Tropeano also to that point.  Just shows, even creating what you think are enough "crumple zones" in the plan, it may not be enough. 

[Inside Pitch]

19 minutes ago, Dick B Back said:

Cam’s last few games have looked pretty good but we know from experience he’s just f’ing with us.

He's close to becoming the new Jeppy..   Jepsen has all the tools to be great and every so often he would be -- then he would shit the bed and take weeks to mentally recover....   

[Docwaukee]

29 minutes ago, Dick B Back said:

Cam’s last few games have looked pretty good but we know from experience he’s just f’ing with us.

he threw two handing sliders that he was lucky not to have deposited in the seats.  

[Angel Oracle]

Get your arse back on the mound, Richards.    And give the team 6-7 freaking innings much more often!!!!    And for crying out loud, STOP NIBBLING!!!!!!

[T.G.]

3 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Get your arse back on the mound, Richards.    And give the team 6-7 freaking innings much more often!!!!    And for crying out loud, STOP NIBBLING!!!!!!

Richards isn't here.  He hasn't been here.  He isn't coming here.

[Erstad Grit]

12 hours ago, beatlesrule said:

Let's not forget that Moreno signs the checks.  Maybe Eppler only had a certain amount of money to spend.  He needed to take care of too many problems thus the cheap bullpen plan.  Would you rather he didn't get 3 position players and sign 3 bullpen arms instead?  Cozart and Kinsler haven't worked out so far and hopefully Upton stays productive for another 4 1/2 years.  $ could very well be the reason Eppler did what he did with the pen.

Then why go get an expensive back-up catcher?

[Lou]

2 hours ago, Erstad Grit said:

Then why go get an expensive back-up catcher?

Rivera makes up 1.7% of our total payroll 

 

 

[Inside Pitch]

4 hours ago, Lou said:

Rivera makes up 1.7% of our total payroll 

Not to mention that when a backup catcher plays, he's pretty much involved in 100% of the pitches thrown.

[Ohtaniland]

22 hours ago, beatlesrule said:

Let's not forget that Moreno signs the checks.  Maybe Eppler only had a certain amount of money to spend.  He needed to take care of too many problems thus the cheap bullpen plan.  Would you rather he didn't get 3 position players and sign 3 bullpen arms instead?  Cozart and Kinsler haven't worked out so far and hopefully Upton stays productive for another 4 1/2 years.  $ could very well be the reason Eppler did what he did with the pen.

this^^^^^

People think that Ontani came cheap this season but in Arte’s eyes it cost him $23M+ to get him. 

“win now” has been put on hold.

[beatlesrule]

5 minutes ago, OHTANILAND said:

this^^^^^

People think that Ontani came cheap this season but in Arte’s eyes it cost him $23M+ to get him. 

“win now” has been put on hold.

I hear Ohtani is pretty good too.

[Angelsfan1984]

20 hours ago, True Grich said:

Richards isn't here.  He hasn't been here.  He isn't coming here.

Waiting for Richards to come back to form

[T.G.]

Brent Maguire‏ @bmags94 50m50 minutes ago

#Angels relievers have logged 292 1/3 innings through 79 games. They're on pace to throw 599 1/3 innings, which would be the fifth highest total of any bullpen in MLB history.

[Lou]

how many innings has the bullpen logged in June? 

how does that rank in mlb?

[Erstad Grit]

On 6/26/2018 at 1:51 AM, Lou said:

Rivera makes up 1.7% of our total payroll 

 

 

If Eppler was indeed on a tight budget, 5 million  for a back-up catcher while filling the pen with scrubs was a bad choice. 

[Docwaukee]

On 6/26/2018 at 11:31 AM, True Grich said:

Brent Maguire‏ @bmags94 50m50 minutes ago

#Angels relievers have logged 292 1/3 innings through 79 games. They're on pace to throw 599 1/3 innings, which would be the fifth highest total of any bullpen in MLB history.

4 of the top 8 all time happened last year.  

2016 broke the record for most relief innings league wide by a significant margin only to be broken again in 2017 by the same margin. The league is on a similar pace this year with 4 other teams ahead of the halos,  one tied, and a bunch within about 5%.  The Rays actually lead with 349 because they're monkeying with that first inning so they kinda don't count.  We have the most in the AL otherwise.     When our starters were healthy, the halos had the 11th most relief innings in the AL and a -2.55 WPA.  second worst in the AL for the month.  So the lower workload didn't help.  They actually got worse.  But that could have been a consequence of having the highest workload in April with 124 pen innings which was 17ip more than the next AL team.  

the game has sure changed.  

It still baffles me though, that Eppler didn't see this coming.  Or he did and just chose the wrong guys.  your're going with six starters because of injury concern and appropriate rest.  what did he think was going to happen?

 

[Lou]

1 hour ago, Erstad Grit said:

If Eppler was indeed on a tight budget, 5 million  for a back-up catcher while filling the pen with scrubs was a bad choice. 

good thing Rivera is only making $2.8 million then ; )

he and Maldonado are making a combined $6.7 million for the year.

[Docwaukee]

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, Dochalo said:

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Doc, one fucking run is all we have scored in this game against a dude named Brian Johnson

[Docwaukee]

1 minute ago, The Boogie Man said:

Doc, one fucking run is all we have scored in this game against a dude named Brian Johnson

I know.  That's going to be it's own separate thread in a bit.  Putting some stuff together about the offense.