The Official 2018 Minor League Statline and Prospect Discussion Thread

[Stax]

17 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

I was told that TR instructed Bane to go after those guys in 2010. Guys like Bolden, Clarke and Cowart were talent project picks after a draft that landed them top notch talent that would move quickly in Corbin, Skaggs, Trout, Grichuk...

These were not Bane guys.

So, Bane was the fall guy or a racial thing?

[Angel Oracle]

23 hours ago, totdprods said:

And I can def see the Buehler treatment happening.

At most, because Canning only pitched 119 innings for UCLA in 2017, and should not be exceeding 140-150 innings in 2018.

[Angel Oracle]

8 hours ago, Chuckster70 said:

I was told that TR instructed Bane to go after those guys in 2010. Guys like Bolden, Clarke and Cowart were talent project picks after a draft that landed them top notch talent that would move quickly in Corbin, Skaggs, Trout, Grichuk...

These were not Bane guys.

J. Pierpont Reagins and Dipussy, the real reasons behind the franchise’s slump this decade

Eppler has the future looking like night and day, next to those two buffoons.

[Angel Oracle]

17 hours ago, Stax said:

The knock I have with Suarez is that he is under sized, 5' 10" 170. But there are under sized pitchers that made it, Billy Wagner, and he has made great progress since signing in 2015. The other is inning pitched, but if the Angels increase his innings pitched per outing  and he maintains this level of performance, is going to be something special.

The prime undersized example:

Pedro

[Docwaukee]

11 hours ago, Chuckster70 said:

I was told that TR instructed Bane to go after those guys in 2010. Guys like Bolden, Clarke and Cowart were talent project picks after a draft that landed them top notch talent that would move quickly in Corbin, Skaggs, Trout, Grichuk...

These were not Bane guys.

and let's think of it this way.  Anyone worth anything in the 2010 draft would have been traded away by Dipoto anyway.  

 

[Angel Oracle]

Still LOL at Dipussy having $5 million for international signings.   Will he try for $10 million next, and end up not spending any of it until late and then signing the next Baldoquin?  

[Chuck]

Man, I know Gatto had a rough last start, but was stellar up until then, but look at the curve his spinning this season.

 

#Angels No. 29 prospect Joe Gatto (@JGatt33) is unscored upon in three of four starts after tossing six one-hit innings for @66ersBaseball. https://t.co/QGjkuQZgk5 pic.twitter.com/hXhrHMbook

— MiLB.com (@MiLB) April 25, 2018

[ettin]

5 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Man, I know Gatto had a rough last start, but was stellar up until then, but look at the curve his spinning this season.

 

This is why I just put him in the mid-teens in my new Top 30 list.

[Angel Oracle]

That 12 to 6 curveball looked Percyesque.

Ever since Blyleven introduced his ridiculous curve in 1970, I've always been intrigued by that pitch. 

[Docwaukee]

It looks like it's moving arm side.  How the hell does he not eat people up with that thing?

[Second Base]

3 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

It looks like it's moving arm side.  How the hell does he not eat people up with that thing?

Same as high school, he's missing up, and goes to it too much when his change up command isn't there. I've watched him enough to know those for sure. 

I still like him though. The fastball is firm and if he spots it in the corners and wisely mixes the change and curve, he'll be a #3/4/5 starter.

[Inside Pitch]

On 4/30/2018 at 12:53 PM, Angel Oracle said:

Still LOL at Dipussy having $5 million for international signings.   Will he try for $10 million next, and end up not spending any of it until late and then signing the next Baldoquin?  

That money was lost if he didn't use it....    I think he traded away a chunk of it to trade for a guy he had traded away only a few months earlier..     Yes, seriously...

[Inside Pitch]

On 4/30/2018 at 1:57 PM, Chuckster70 said:

Man, I know Gatto had a rough last start, but was stellar up until then, but look at the curve his spinning this season.

 

Something has clicked for this guy....  Or they fixed him

[Tank]

On 4/29/2018 at 3:26 PM, Lou said:

If he does that again for the next 5 games he'll be batting .533*

 

*public school math

.533 BA . . . that would be . . . acceptable.

 

Edited May 1, 2018 by Tank

[Make Angels Great Again]

1 hour ago, Inside Pitch said:

Something has clicked for this guy....  Or they fixed him

 

Doubtful, his K rate has gone up, but that's literally all that's happened with him so far this year.

Allows just as many baserunners still. I think if he wants a shot he needs converted to relief. He's 23 now still stuck in A+.

[Inside Pitch]

2 hours ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

Doubtful, his K rate has gone up, but that's literally all that's happened with him so far this year.

Allows just as many baserunners still. I think if he wants a shot he needs converted to relief. He's 23 now still stuck in A+.

.....and K rate is the biggest predictor of future success for a SP.    Baseball 101.

I'm not jumping on his bandwagon, but there is no denying he's taken a significant step forward in at least one area...  He's always been a guy that had quality stuff but had never been able to put people away.  Now he's putting up a K rate of 11%..   Sorry, that's a drastic change... anytime someone can more than double their K-BB% from where it was the previous year 16.2% .vs 6.5 it bears watching.  He's still walking too many people .... that's the biggest wart -- but if you look at his batted ball info, his .398 BABIP allowed this year is about 100 points north of the league average. 

Lastly he is still inducing ground balls at elite levels 54%...  

It's early, but if that K rate stays north of 9% all year Gatto's future looks significantly better than at any point in his career.

 

[Second Base]

23 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

.....and K rate is the biggest predictor of future success for a SP.    Baseball 101.

I'm not jumping on his bandwagon, but there is no denying he's taken a significant step forward in at least one area...  He's always been a guy that had quality stuff but had never been able to put people away.  Now he's putting up a K rate of 11%..   Sorry, that's a drastic change... anytime someone can more than double their K-BB% from where it was the previous year 16.2% .vs 6.5 it bears watching.  He's still walking too many people .... that's the biggest wart -- but if you look at his batted ball info, his .398 BABIP allowed this year is about 100 points north of the league average. 

Lastly he is still inducing ground balls at elite levels 54%...  

It's early, but if that K rate stays north of 9% all year Gatto's future looks significantly better than at any point in his career.

 

Strictly from a scouting perspective, you're absolutely right. There's more to Gatto than most realize. And it makes sense, he's a prep second rounder, spent multiple seasons in rookie ball, then was awful in A Ball. 

That alone is enough to make him pretty much ignored. He isn't a draw, scouts won't go out of their way to see him. The only people that have seen him recently are ones that pretty much stumbled across him. The only people still purposefully looking at him either work for the Angels or are Angels fans.

But for those still watching, since the end of last year he's shown periodic glimpses into what he can be. Big, strong frame, pumps 94 with a pretty clean delivery. When working properly, he uses a very effective downhill plane to hit the corners and spins off a plus breaking ball and decent change up. 

As a starter, Gatto may not break into the big leagues until he's 26, but he might also break in at 24. But there's more to build off of with him than other 23 year olds in A Ball.

[Angel Oracle]

Just needs to improve on the change up next.

[Vlad27Trout27]

Hunter 2/4 today up to 257

Rivas 2/4

Marsh 3/4

[Make Angels Great Again]

1 hour ago, Inside Pitch said:

.....and K rate is the biggest predictor of future success for a SP.    Baseball 101.

 I'm not jumping on his bandwagon, but there is no denying he's taken a significant step forward in at least one area...  He's always been a guy that had quality stuff but had never been able to put people away.  Now he's putting up a K rate of 11%..   Sorry, that's a drastic change... anytime someone can more than double their K-BB% from where it was the previous year 16.2% .vs 6.5 it bears watching.  He's still walking too many people .... that's the biggest wart -- but if you look at his batted ball info, his .398 BABIP allowed this year is about 100 points north of the league average. 

 Lastly he is still inducing ground balls at elite levels 54%...  

It's early, but if that K rate stays north of 9% all year Gatto's future looks significantly better than at any point in his career.

 

 

I hear you, K rate is definitely important but it's a far cry from guaranteed success. See Marco Estrada.

I just don't see Gatto making it out of AA.

[Pheenom07]

21 minutes ago, Vlad27Trout27 said:

Hunter 2/4 today up to 257

Rivas 2/4

Marsh 3/4

2 out of those 3 hits for Marsh are homeruns.  

[rafibomb]

7 minutes ago, Pheenom07 said:

2 out of those 3 hits for Marsh are homeruns.  

You'd think that the call to Inland Empire should be coming soon.

[Make Angels Great Again]

Man...Marsh is going to end up a top 10 prospect at the end of the year.

[GrittyVeterans]

4 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

Man...Marsh is going to end up a top 10 prospect at the end of the year.

I say top 50 for sure. He'd have to do this in A+ ball the 2nd half of the year to reach the top 20. Super impressive so far though

[Docwaukee]

If Marsh's power shows up in games, he's gonna be an absolute beast.  

Hunter Jr.  8 for his last 10.  Another 30 points up for his avg.  plus a sb.  now at 9.  and a double.  from .185 to .267 in two games.  that's nuts unless your in game 3.