Fire Scioscia

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, CubsFan said:

There's a differences between being medicore and blatantly tanking.  Cubs and Stros were medicore for a long time then finally realized that tanking and stockpiling talent is the best way to win the WS.  And it worked.

It also makes them pathetic.   

[Homebrewer]

2 hours ago, stormngt said:

The Cubs, the Astros, and the Angel's have won the same amount of WS championships this century.

And 2 of those teams are good enough to do it again sometime soon.

[Homebrewer]

12 minutes ago, SuperTroopers said:

It also makes them pathetic.   

So teams that rebuild in order to contend are "pathetic" now? 

[Stradling]

Just now, Homebrewer said:

So teams that rebuild in order to contend are "pathetic" now? 

Losing on purpose, tanking, yes I think it’s pathetic.  I don’t think the Cubs tanked, but the Astros certainly did.  

[tdawg87]

12 minutes ago, Homebrewer said:

And 2 of those teams are good enough to do it again sometime soon.

The Angels and Astros, I agree.

[CubsFan]

38 minutes ago, SuperTroopers said:

It also makes them pathetic.   

Sure pathetic . . . But World Series champs. Better than being medicore for 100 odd years

[Inside Pitch]

 

I know this thread is about firing Scioscia, the Cubs and Astros winning WS titles in the last decade and other assorted stuff -- but can we all just take a second to remember the Dodgers haven't won a ring since 1988. 

Thank you Cubbies and Astros.

 

[Angel Oracle]

54 minutes ago, SuperTroopers said:

Losing on purpose, tanking, yes I think it’s pathetic.  I don’t think the Cubs tanked, but the Astros certainly did.  

Bo Porter was one excellent part of the tanking plan. 

[JustATroutFan]

Only problem that I have with tanking in baseball is that you are less guarantee to draft someone who eventually becomes a superstar that is draft high in the MLB draft. In the NFL and NBA, your chances are much higher of tanking and drafting someone that becomes a superstar. A lot of superstar players currently in baseball weren't even drafted that high or even high in the draft. Or in a lot of cases, they were drafted late. Trout, Donaldson, Goldschmidt, Scherzer, Kluber, and Rizzo are perfect examples of that.

[zenmaster]

But you also have guys like Harper, Cole, Correa, Strasburg, Price, Mauer who were drafted first. I think A Roid and Griffey were first too back in the day.

[JustATroutFan]

5 minutes ago, zenmaster said:

But you also have guys like Harper, Cole, Correa, Strasburg, Price, Mauer who were drafted first. I think A Roid and Griffey were first too back in the day.

Cole, Correa, Harper, Price, and Strasburg aren't superstars, though.

[GrittyVeterans]

2 minutes ago, JustATroutFan said:

Cole, Correa, Harper, Price, and Strasburg aren't superstars, though.

LOL. Harper and Correa definitely are. Price won a Cy Young. Strasberg finished 3rd In the voting last year. Cole will be top 3 this year.

[Blarg]

3 minutes ago, JustATroutFan said:

Cole, Correa, Harper, Price, and Strasburg aren't superstars, though.

You do realize you are not addressing any subject with that statement?

[JustATroutFan]

1 minute ago, GrittyVeterans said:

LOL. Harper and Correa definitely are. Price won a Cy Young. Strasberg finished 3rd In the voting last year. Cole will be top 3 this year.

Correa has had one great year. One great year doesn't make a player a superstar. I need to see more great years to label someone as one.

[GrittyVeterans]

1 minute ago, JustATroutFan said:

Correa has had one great year. One great year doesn't make a player a superstar. I need to see more great years to label someone as one.

Correa averages 7.3 WAR per 650 plate appearances, going back to his rookie year. 

You sound really foolish 

[tdawg87]

3 minutes ago, JustATroutFan said:

Cole, Correa, Harper, Price, and Strasburg aren't superstars, though.

[JustATroutFan]

1 minute ago, GrittyVeterans said:

Correa averages 7.3 WAR per 650 plate appearances, going back to his rookie year. 

You sound really foolish 

WAR again? I don't give a damn about WAR, dude!

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, JustATroutFan said:

WAR again? I don't give a damn about WAR, dude!

You do when it involves Trout.

[zenmaster]

11 minutes ago, JustATroutFan said:

Cole, Correa, Harper, Price, and Strasburg aren't superstars, though.

Oh ok then.

[GrittyVeterans]

3 minutes ago, JustATroutFan said:

WAR again? I don't give a damn about WAR, dude!

Ok, how about OPS+? He's at 138 for his career. Averages 30 home runs per 162 games. He's a SS too.

He's as good of a hitter as Altuve is, and room to grow

[Stradling]

In JustATroutFan’s world there is only one super star.  

[JustATroutFan]

2 minutes ago, GrittyVeterans said:

Ok, how about OPS+? He's at 138 for his career. Averages 30 home runs per 162 games. He's a SS too.

He's as good of a hitter as Altuve is, and room to grow

That's a nice career OPS+ to have, especially as a shortstop. But again, Correa needs to have more than one MVP caliber season for me to say he is a superstar. Does he has the potential to be one? No doubt! But is he one right now? I would say no.

[GrittyVeterans]

1 minute ago, JustATroutFan said:

That's a nice career OPS+ to have, especially as a shortstop. But again, Correa needs to have more than one MVP caliber season for me to say he is a superstar. Does he has the potential to be one? No doubt! But is he one right now? I would say no.

And that's a fine opinion to have. But every single statistical measure says you are emphatically wrong.

I can't think of 5 players I'd rather build my team around than Carlos Correa right now. 

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, GrittyVeterans said:

And that's a fine opinion to have. But every single statistical measure says you are emphatically wrong.

I can't think of 5 players I'd rather build my team around than Carlos Correa right now. 

Probably top 3 for me. 

[JustATroutFan]

2 minutes ago, GrittyVeterans said:

And that's a fine opinion to have. But every single statistical measure says you are emphatically wrong.

I can't think of 5 players I'd rather build my team around than Carlos Correa right now. 

I wouldn't go that far, though.