The Official Vladimir Guerrero - Hall of Fame thread

[Angel Oracle]

57 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

More no-hitters with the Angels. He had more with the Angels than all the rest combined.

WAR with Halos = around 40    WAR with Astros = around 25

Just like Vlad with the Expos, Ryan had far more WAR here than anywhere else.

[Angelsfirst]

Wouldn’t be prouder to have that man represent the Angels in the hall of fame.

Without a doubt the most natural talent I’ve ever seen on a baseball field. One of my top 3 favorite players and by far the most entertaining player I’ve ever watched. 

I remember Brett Boone once described him as a freak as far as his abilities on the field and there couldn’t have been a more accurate statement.  He truly was one of a kind. Congratulations Vladdy. Well deserved. 

[ten ocho recon scout]

2 hours ago, beatlesrule said:

Vlad interview is up next on MLB network! Jose Mota translating.

Whos translating for jose? Like, we know what he means, but not sure the rest of the baseball world will.

[ukyah]

he's going in as an angel. they ask the player, but the hall makes the decision which team his bust will reflect. knowing that, and the below link, i think the angels have their first HOF.

https://baseballhall.org/hof/guerrero-vlad

[Troll Daddy]

 

[disarcina]

MLB channel's HOF wrap up show sure showed a lot of VLAD in Expos uni during the show and when they showed the four players voted in -- showed VLAD in Expos hat and uni.

Most coverage seems to be leaning (not saying -- just showing mostly Vlad in Expos hat and uni) towards VLAD going in as a Montreal Expo.

Yes, I am a long time Halos fan;

Yes, I am biased towards the Halos

But , despite that, I really think VLAD should go in as the first one to wear an Angels cap in the HOF.

We got robbed when Nolan Ryan went in not wearing a Halos cap -- clearly Ryan's best years and stats were with the Halos.

Vlad spent one more year with the Expos than the Angels -- he was in his prime with the Halos and was a franchise player there.

I am not as confident as I was this past week (I really thought MLB would understand the importance of making Vlad the first one wearing a Halos cap in the HOF) after watching all this coverage of VLAD in a Montreal uni -- film that hasn't been shown much the past 15-20 years and even when he was playing in Montreal didn't get as much exposure as he deserved.

When he got to Anaheim, he certainly received additional coverage. He's a deserving of the HOF and his Halos hat would look just great there.

[Angel Oracle]

27 minutes ago, Troll Daddy said:

 

Uhh Bill Shaikin, ever heard of a lefty named Sandy Koufax (age 37 when inducted in 1972)?

[disarcina]

I think Vlad is the youngest HOF'er now at age 42 -- now the youngest to be elected into the HOF.

[disarcina]

that prior post should read "NOT" the youngest to be elected into the HOF but currently the youngest member of the HOF at 42 which means he has years of HOF induction ceremonies to attend in front of him...........

[ten ocho recon scout]

IMO it should be us. I know his numbers were slightly better in montreal, but aside from the hard core baseball nerds, nobody really knew him there. (Meaning people like us, who follow the whole league, prospects, front office moves, etc).

Here, he won his mvp, played against the yankees and boston in the playoffs. Made pepsi commercials with arod. Won the home run derby. Etc etc. I just feel like he became a far more recognized player here.

If things like rings, mvps, silver sluggers, cy young etc play a part in who gets in, i think its only natural that shouod also play a role on what team gets represented. 

[OregonLAA]

Was it 2005 where he completely carried this team to the playoffs?  I grew up watching Salmon but it’s hard to say who my favorite all time Angel is. Vlad was a freak. I’m happy for the guy

[Tank]

1 hour ago, Angel Oracle said:

Uhh Bill Shaikin, ever heard of a lefty named Sandy Koufax (age 37 when inducted in 1972)?

how old was clemente? and didn't they waive the 5 year rule for him?

[disarcina]

VLAD IS "IN" and it's a great day for Halos fans -- no matter what cap he wears into the HOF (should be an Angels cap!!).

Not to belabor a point I once made frequently here (some time ago -- a Halos player I really liked for his consistency year after year until he got hurt) -- but to show how their stats compare and a guy who I felt was on his way to HOF numbers (before he got hurt and his trajectory fell off):

Career numbers:

VLAD GUERREO:  HITS: 2,590  2B: 477  HR 449  RBI 1496  SB 181  career BA: .318

Garret Anderson  HITS: 2,529  2B: 522  HR: 287  RBI: 1365 ; SB 80 career BA: .293

[Angel Oracle]

30 minutes ago, Tank said:

how old was clemente? and didn't they waive the 5 year rule for him?

I do believe that is true.   He would have been 39 in 1973.

Anyway, as DiSar alluded to, Shaikin likely meant the current youngest HOF, not youngest ever.

[ten ocho recon scout]

1 hour ago, OregonLAA said:

Was it 2005 where he completely carried this team to the playoffs?  I grew up watching Salmon but it’s hard to say who my favorite all time Angel is. Vlad was a freak. I’m happy for the guy

2004. 

We booted guillen off the team after the sunday day game (anaheimbob). We went into the last week down by 3.5 games. Vlad went beast mode, had like 4 home runs that week i think. I remember curtis pride having a big game too, i think against texas, who we then passed to take the division. That was a crazy week.

People knocked vlad for not carrying us in the playoffs, but he got pitched around like crazy. Even when he would get base hits, people were pissed he didnt hit it out.

He had that huge game tying slam against boston in 04, too

[KevinJ14]

Take this for what it's worth:

 

[disarcina]

"It's a shame Vlad never got a chance to play in a World Series game."

LET'S PLAY TWO  !!!

[ten ocho recon scout]

9 minutes ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

It's a shame Vlad never got a chance to play in a World Series game.

Agreed. I think it was a huge mistake never getting him a second bat in his prime. We had the pitching, and a great pen. We just (almost) never matched up bat wise with boston and ny. Both were good, boston was beyond stacked back then.

[Billy_Ball]

30 minutes ago, KevinJ14 said:

Take this for what it's worth:

 

This one from the Official Hall of Fame twitter account.  Take this one too - 

 

[Stradling]

1 hour ago, hangin n wangin said:

Anderson was never close or on his way to HOF numbers.

Yes he was.  He would have gotten 3000 hits if it werent for his injuries. 

[Billy_Ball]

35 minutes ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

It's a shame Vlad never got a chance to play in a World Series game.

He played in four World Series games in 2010.

[Angelsfirst]

1 hour ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

2004. 

We booted guillen off the team after the sunday day game (anaheimbob). We went into the last week down by 3.5 games. Vlad went beast mode, had like 4 home runs that week i think. I remember curtis pride having a big game too, i think against texas, who we then passed to take the division. That was a crazy week.

People knocked vlad for not carrying us in the playoffs, but he got pitched around like crazy. Even when he would get base hits, people were pissed he didnt hit it out.

He had that huge game tying slam against boston in 04, too

Yeah Guillen for some reason was insulted Sosh pinch ran someone for him and threw a fit lol. But yeah I remember that road series against Texas that last week of the season in 04’. He was making the game look ridiculously easy peppering those left field stands with line drives in Arlington.

He even hit a huge two run dinger off a Zito curveball that put us up 2-0 against the A’s in the division clincher, game 161. That last week definitely locked up his MVP and was amazing to watch. 

[ten ocho recon scout]

Good call, forgot about that zito home run. I remember vlad being asked how he approached zito. At the time zitos curve was one of the best. Most guys waited fastball, vlad said he went up looking for the curve. 

[Troll Daddy]

Do yourself a favor Vlad and go into the HOF wearing RED. You’ll be treated like royalty by fans when you visit the Big A. 

 

[stormngt]

16 hours ago, HaloCory22 said:

I've come to terms with him going in as an Expo. It makes sense. His seasons in Montreal destroyed anything he ever did with us.

Have you actually compared his Montreal stats with his angel stats.  I wouldn't use the term "destroyed".  Expo stats are marginally better than Angels.