Weaver gets into the Angels HOF?

[Taylor]

1 hour ago, Dick B Back said:

So if Vlad gets voted in and goes in with an Angels uni, do you retire the number and tell Trout he's outta luck and has to pick another number?

You retire No. 27, but Trout gets "grandfathered" in and still gets to wear the number as long as he pleases. The Yankees did the same with Mariano Rivera's No. 42 after baseball unanimously retired Jackie Robinson's number.

[T.G.]

Some of my greatest memories are of Jered Weaver pitching in an Angels uniform. I have great admiration for Weave.  He definitely belongs in the Angels' HOF.

[JustATroutFan]

2 hours ago, Tank said:

it's not even arguable. 

here, educate yourself a bit: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/ryanno01.shtml

Was lazy to look at baseball reference when I first posted on this thread. With that being said, looking at it, Ryan had 4 great seasons and 2 good seasons with the Angels. I know Weaver was great in 2006 but was also great from 2010-2012, so that is four great seasons for Weaver as an Angel. Weave was still darn good in 2013 and 2014. So he also had 4 great seasons and 2 good seasons as an Angel like Ryan. I would still give Weaver the slight edge though because of ERA+. Weaver's two best ERA+ were 177 and 156. Ryan's best ERA+ as an Angel was 141.

[Tank]

so you're going to boil down ryan's angel career to simply his ERA+? Wow, i guess you are lazy.

i strongly suggest you look at his K's, complete games, and IP. Throw in the four no-hitters, just for laughs, too. And then, talk to someone who went to the stadium and watched him pitch in person and the excitement of watching him live and in person, not to mention the televised games. 

Weaver was a good pitcher here, and no one would try to argue differently. But better than Ryan, even by a slight margin? It's not even close, especially using a modern metric like ERA+.

Oh, and did we mention that Ryan is in the HOF largely from his accomplishments as a Halo? Maybe that's worth mentioning too. 

[JustATroutFan]

3 hours ago, Tank said:

so you're going to boil down ryan's angel career to simply his ERA+? Wow, i guess you are lazy.

i strongly suggest you look at his K's, complete games, and IP. Throw in the four no-hitters, just for laughs, too. And then, talk to someone who went to the stadium and watched him pitch in person and the excitement of watching him live and in person, not to mention the televised games. 

Weaver was a good pitcher here, and no one would try to argue differently. But better than Ryan, even by a slight margin? It's not even close, especially using a modern metric like ERA+.

Oh, and did we mention that Ryan is in the HOF largely from his accomplishments as a Halo? Maybe that's worth mentioning too. 

Difference is that Ryan also had a lot more great years than Weaver but with other teams. If Weaver had like 5-6 more great years, he would be a HOF as well.

[Broad Street]

On 12/3/2017 at 1:29 PM, Angelsjunky said:

I'd rate the all-time best Angels pitchers as follows (Angels careers only):

1. Nolan Ryan

2. Chuck Finley

3. Jered Weaver

4. Mike Witt

5. Frank Tanana

6. John Lackey

7. Dean Chance

8. Mark Langston

 

After that it gets dicey. Anyhow, even if you're more bullish on Jered, he still belongs in the top 5 all-time pitchers, so if the top 5 all-time Angels starters don't belong in the Angels Hall of Fame, I don't know who does.

How does Joe Blanton not make this list??!

[ten ocho recon scout]

4 hours ago, Tank said:

 

Weaver was a good pitcher here, and no one would try to argue differently. But better than Ryan, even by a slight margin? It's not even close, especially using a modern metric like ERA+.

 

We should judge ryan on his win loss record.

[arch stanton]

This might sound a bit codgerish but I don't think you can appreciate what Ryan meant to Angels fans if you weren't one at that time

[IEAngelsfan]

For a few years, if it weren't for Ryan and to lesser extent Tanana, there would not have been a reason to watch the Angels.  Yes, it was that bad.

[Tank]

23 minutes ago, arch stanton said:

This might sound a bit codgerish but I don't think you can appreciate what Ryan meant to Angels fans if you weren't one at that time

Agreed. Almost said the same thing but didn't want to sound like an old man.

[Puget Sound Angel]

10 hours ago, Dick B Back said:

So if Vlad gets voted in and goes in with an Angels uni, do you retire the number and tell Trout he's outta luck and has to pick another number?

Nah, Trout keeps his number as part of a grandfather clause. Trout gets his number retired after his career is over.

[Erstad Grit]

Shields makes the top 10 list. 

[eligrba]

On 12/4/2017 at 4:34 AM, Lou said:

A good quality silk tie will require approximately 110 silkworm cocoons

Eagles soar but weasels are not sucked into  jet engines.

[ten ocho recon scout]

7 hours ago, Erstad Grit said:

Shields makes the top 10 list. 

Good call.

Who meant more to the org, franky or percy?

[Erstad Grit]

26 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

Good call.

Who meant more to the org, franky or percy?

That's a really hard question.  Although probably unpopular here,  I'll say slight edge to franky. What he did in 2002 was historic.  He then went on as an elite closer during our best era.  

[ten ocho recon scout]

1 hour ago, Erstad Grit said:

That's a really hard question.  Although probably unpopular here,  I'll say slight edge to franky. What he did in 2002 was historic.  He then went on as an elite closer during our best era.  

Good point. I cant really say. 

Krod is the easier answer, but is that because he was here for the good years? Percy was a beast pre 2002. And one of fhe team leaders. 

Tough call

[Lou]

17 hours ago, IEAngelsfan said:

For a few years, if it weren't for Ryan and to lesser extent Tanana, there would not have been a reason to watch the Angels.  Yes, it was that bad.

Tanana and Ryan, and 3 days of cryin'

[Tank]

On 12/4/2017 at 1:56 PM, Taylor said:

You retire No. 27, but Trout gets "grandfathered" in and still gets to wear the number as long as he pleases. The Yankees did the same with Mariano Rivera's No. 42 after baseball unanimously retired Jackie Robinson's number.

yankees also did this with #8 (bill dickey and yogi berra).

[Lou]

11 hours ago, Tank said:

yankees also did this with #8 (bill dickey and yogi berra).

That's because every other number had already been retired 

[ten ocho recon scout]

On 12/5/2017 at 4:13 PM, Lou said:

Tanana and Ryan, and 3 days of cryin'

After the last 2 seasons, 3 days would be a boon. 

Freakin crybaby 70s fans.