Does Otani & Stanton need to happen before the fire ignites the hot stove?

[Troll Daddy]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

Each team has their own version of WAR, a statistical way they value a player to help decide if they add wins or not.  So will a team use fWar or bWar, no.  Will they use their metric that goes beyond wins, era, whip, saves, batting average, home runs, rbi and fielding percentage? Absolutely yes.  

I agree 

[Stradling]

And that internal stat is their version of WAR.

[Troll Daddy]

9 minutes ago, Stradling said:

And that internal stat is their version of WAR.

Power fills a important role if you want to win. Teams that lack power will pay the piper. Although, $200M is excessive but 6yrs/160M ?

[Ohtaniland]

Stanton has not been some leaguewide secret. Every MLB team knows his contractual situation. If Arte and Eppler seriously wanted him and his contract they would’ve claimed him off waivers last August and tried to work out a trade for him back then instead of going after Upton. I think they chose not to pursue him because of his contract. I don’t think that mindset has changed.

[ukyah]

4 hours ago, Calzone said:

Stanton has not been some leaguewide secret. Every MLB team knows his contractual situation. If Arte and Eppler seriously wanted him and his contract they would’ve claimed him off waivers last August and tried to work out a trade for him back then instead of going after Upton. I think they chose not to pursue him because of his contract. I don’t think that mindset has changed.

i agree. i don't think we're in on stanton at all, and from the looks of it that may mean we're out on gordon too. although the 3 team trade idea, where we pick up gordon, isn't out of the question.

[Ohtaniland]

16 hours ago, ukyah said:

i agree. i don't think we're in on stanton at all, and from the looks of it that may mean we're out on gordon too. although the 3 team trade idea, where we pick up gordon, isn't out of the question.

Gordon would be a good pickup but I think if they find a taker for Stanton, Gordon will probably remain in Miami. Now in regards to Otani, he won’t be interested in playing here simply because Albert has a stranglehold on the DH spot. That’s an extremely important position to leave open for a player like Otani and there’s nothing the Angels will do to change that.

[Warfarin]

1 hour ago, Calzone said:

Gordon would be a good pickup but I think if they find a taker for Stanton, Gordon will probably remaIn in Miami. Now in regards to Otani, he won’t be interested in playing here simply because Albert has a stranglehold on the DH spot. That’s an extremely important position to leave open for a player like Otani and there’s nothing the Angels will do to change that.

My guess is it'll come down to three teams:  Yankees, Dodgers, Mariners (in that order).  If he doesn't care about DH'ing and is okay playing the field, I could see him as a Dodger.  That said, I am going to assume the Yankees are the favorites at this point.

[Ohtaniland]

16 minutes ago, Warfarin said:

My guess is it'll come down to three teams:  Yankees, Dodgers, Mariners (in that order).  If he doesn't care about DH'ing and is okay playing the field, I could see him as a Dodger.  That said, I am going to assume the Yankees are the favorites at this point.

Well the Yankees are the favorite for many reasons. They already have a Japanese player on board who decided to stay. I’m sure that the Japanese press is praising the Tanaka / NY relationship. They have a wide open DH spot and he could rotate playing RF / DH with Aaron Judge. Lastly, they have the money, the history with Matsui and a solid bunch of youthful players that are already contending so there’s no pressure on him to carry the franchise. I find it interesting how much Albert impacts (contract and position) what the Angels can’t do in regards to Stanton and Otani. 

[Warfarin]

8 minutes ago, Calzone said:

Well the Yankees are the favorite for many reasons. They already have a Japanese player on board who decided to stay. I’m sure that the Japanese press is praising the Tanaka / NY relationship. They have a wide open DH spot and he could rotate playing RF / DH with Aaron Judge. Lastly, they have the money, the history with Matsui and a solid bunch of youthful players that are already contending so there’s no pressure on him to carry the franchise. 

Right.  The money isn't really an issue I suspect, because if it was, Ohtani would just wait two more years, then sign a massive 150million + contract.  But the Yankees' history with Japanese players + open DH spot probably mean they are the favorites.  Although that said, it would likewise not surprise me to see him end up as a Dodger, either.  The one issue is, would he be okay serving as an OF several times a week?  I have seen reports of him questioning whether he can do so at the MLB level.

[tdawg87]

9 minutes ago, Calzone said:

I find it interesting how much Albert impacts (contract and position) what the Angels can’t do in regards to Stanton and Otani. 

Fuck YES he did it guys!

[Ohtaniland]

9 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Fuck YES he did it guys!

Well he is a huge factor. Otani is most likely looking to DH and Stanton is expensive.

[arch stanton]

I’m calling it now. Any team giving Ohtani regular DH at bats will be south of 2017 Angels DH production 

[Ohtaniland]

1 minute ago, arch stanton said:

I’m calling it now. Any team giving Ohtani regular DH at bats will be south of 2017 Angels DH production 

Well the DH spot will more than likely be a safe zone for Ohtani. He’s not a hitter first, pitcher second player. 

[Stradling]

20 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Fuck YES he did it guys!

I’ve met him so I know he’s an actual person.  If I hadn’t I would assume he was a bot put on this website by Chuck to drive up traffic and give us a common foe.  

Must

Have

Narrative

[Angels#1Fan]

2 hours ago, Calzone said:

Albert has a stranglehold on the DH spot. That’s an extremely important position to leave open for a player like Otani and there’s nothing the Angels will do to change that.

I seriously doubt that Albert getting the bulk of the ab's at DH will have any impact on Ohtani's decision to play in Anaheim. There are most likely other factors more important to Ohtani than Albert and the DH position. Of course that doesn't fit your negative narrative..so play on.

I doubt that Ohtani will become an Angel because I just sense there are other teams that he finds more attractive, but man, your Debbie Downer routine knows no bounds. 

BTW..just for the record I'm on the Ohtani bandwagon and would love to see him play here.

[tdawg87]

48 minutes ago, Calzone said:

Well he is a huge factor. Otani is most likely looking to DH and Stanton is expensive.

Right but the post you responded to had nothing to do with the Angels or Pujols but you know lol

[Ohtaniland]

15 minutes ago, Angels#1Fan said:

BTW..just for the record I'm on the Ohtani bandwagon and would love to see him play here.

Fans of 30 MLB teams feel no different. He would be a nice acquisition. 

[Docwaukee]

I think the market waits for Ohtani because he's available to everyone.  

Stanton can only have so many suitors and even the teams that will be involved might not wait for Miami to figure out their situation.  

[Lou]

On November 22, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Troll Daddy said:

It virtually will have no significance as to how you value him as a player for said team.

you are incorrect. it's obvious in that AO does assign significance to WAR in evaluating a player. 

[Lou]

18 hours ago, Calzone said:

Stanton has not been some leaguewide secret. Every MLB team knows his contractual situation. If Arte and Eppler seriously wanted him and his contract they would’ve claimed him off waivers last August and tried to work out a trade for him back then instead of going after Upton. I think they chose not to pursue him because of his contract. I don’t think that mindset has changed.

Using your rationale, nobody will trade for him since they didn't do so in August. 

[Ohtaniland]

2 hours ago, Lou said:

Using your rationale, nobody will trade for him since they didn't do so in August. 

You know Lou, it would not surprise me to see Stanton on Miami’s opening day roster. Those no trade clause deals factor in huge when it comes with the type of price tag he has. 

There’s a very limited market for a guy making that kind of money that also has exclusive authorization over his destination. He’s going to be tough to move.

The Angels could’ve claimed him last August which would’ve gave them a window of opportunity with exclusive rights to negotiate a trade. They chose not to before Upton was on the books. They whiffed if they really wanted Stanton. 

 

[Slegnaac]

Maybe they had preliminary discussions about a trade and knew that claiming him last August was futile. 

[Ohtaniland]

10 minutes ago, Slegnaac said:

Maybe they had preliminary discussions about a trade and knew that claiming him last August was futile. 

If Stanton was on the Angels radar they would’ve claimed him. They had nothing to lose by doing so.

[Tank]

On 11/22/2017 at 3:55 PM, Angel Oracle said:

No matter how you slice it, mid 3.00s WARs do not command in any way 7 years/$210 million.

Agree with you, but chicks (and GMs and lots of fans) dig the long ball.

i honestly don't remember hearing about this guy until sometime in 2015. He just seemed to come out of nowhere, and now he's suddenly 30.

[Tank]

Here's my question about Ohtani . . . How many teams will be willing to let him pitch AND play the outfield? I can see him DHing, but I can't see him playing the outfield. I don't know all the routines pitchers go through to take care of their arm on off days, but I'd venture a guess that it doesn't really involve making rifle throws from the outfield to any of the bases.

i don't think we'll even call his agent about coming here.