Gordon or Moustakas

[SigBaby]

Why not just bring back Howie and let Valbuena and Cowart handle third? Let Cron have a chance at full time Ab's

[Ohtaniland]

3 hours ago, Stradling said:

They are entirely different players.  One is based on speed the other is much more well rounded.  

I think Upton’s value relies heavily on speed. 

https://www.mlb.com/video/statcast-upton-shows-off-speed/c-854495783

[tdawg87]

Gordon. Unquestionably.

Hell I'd take Prado over Moustakas as well.

[totdprods]

20 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Gordon. Unquestionably.

Hell I'd take Prado over Moustakas as well.

Last four years...

Prado has a .890 OPS against LHP.

Valbuena has a .806 OPS against RHP.

Wouod be a decent platoon.

[Blarg]

Platoons suck ass. They take a player on a streak and benches him for a guy cold that only sees one type of pitcher. 

[ettin]

1 hour ago, totdprods said:

Last four years...

Prado has a .890 OPS against LHP.

Valbuena has a .806 OPS against RHP.

Wouod be a decent platoon.

It would be an incredibly expensive one. Financially keeping Valbuena and Marte would be much more practical.

[Troll Daddy]

The F.O. will likely stay in-house for third base   At least bring back Yescobar

[Ohtaniland]

20 minutes ago, Troll Daddy said:

The F.O. will likely stay in-house for third base   At least bring back Yescobar

Escobar was sent to Siberia and nobody’s to talk about it. He won’t be returning to the Angels. 

[disarcina]

any one picking Gordon on that question -- did you see him play in 2017 or see his stats?

He signed a contract deal with KC -- I think it was a one year deal - might have been a one plus one back at the end of the 2015 season.

Anyway, KC spent a lot of money on him and offensively he was a total bust.

Defensively, he's a gold glove -- but he has no to limited power and offensively was a total bust early in 2017 when it counted.

I would easily sign Moustakas of those two -- Moose is a S.Cal product (Chaminade HS -- if I recall correctly) -- has power from a corner position which the Halos have lacked.

not great a field but not terrible either -- probably better than what we've had there.....and now there's this 'issue' with Escobar that no one knows about/talking about. Not sure what that means.........usually means a positive test or something like that but there's no reports of that........who knows?

So I'd pick Moustakas of that choice and, really, it's not a choice -- I wouldn't offer Gordan much, if anything -- perhaps a deal that recognizes he'll he a 4th/ 5th OF'er on the roster, perhaps a late inning defensive replacement/ pinch runner......infrequent starter. that role wouldn't mean much of a contract and less than he'd be willing to accept........

today's players would rather just retire than accept a low end (perhaps incentive based) contract to sit the bench.......

[disarcina]

Gordon is signed through 2019 and then has a mutual club/ player option for 2020.

Angels would be foolish to bail KC out of this terrible contract UNLESS KC pays a good portion of the 2018/19 salary - KC unlikely to agree to do that.

Moustakas is a free agent and is the better option  -- he hit 35 plus HRs last year.

Godron hit .208 last year and .220 the year before playing primarily LF -- you really need some offensive production from your LF'er where most teams place their weakest fielding OF starter.....

Moustakas went to Chastworth HS not Chaminade -- so he is a S. Cal product.

[totdprods]

.....

Dee Gordon, @disarcina

[disarcina]

Oh - OK -- I just seem to place Alex Gordon and Moustakas together because that's been the debate in KC.

and then KC signed Alex Gordon to an extension (4 year deal - expensive, too -- Boras is his agent) which has not worked out well so far, two years left on the deal.

,220 and .208 BA in '16 and '17.

Dee Gordon vs, Mousakas -- closer call -- think I'd still go with Moustakas -- we need additional power in the line up.

[tdawg87]

27 minutes ago, disarcina said:

any one picking Gordon on that question -- did you see him play in 2017 or see his stats?

He signed a contract deal with KC -- I think it was a one year deal - might have been a one plus one back at the end of the 2015 season.

Anyway, KC spent a lot of money on him and offensively he was a total bust.

Defensively, he's a gold glove -- but he has no to limited power and offensively was a total bust early in 2017 when it counted.

I would easily sign Moustakas of those two -- Moose is a S.Cal product (Chaminade HS -- if I recall correctly) -- has power from a corner position which the Halos have lacked.

not great a field but not terrible either -- probably better than what we've had there.....and now there's this 'issue' with Escobar that no one knows about/talking about. Not sure what that means.........usually means a positive test or something like that but there's no reports of that........who knows?

So I'd pick Moustakas of that choice and, really, it's not a choice -- I wouldn't offer Gordan much, if anything -- perhaps a deal that recognizes he'll he a 4th/ 5th OF'er on the roster, perhaps a late inning defensive replacement/ pinch runner......infrequent starter. that role wouldn't mean much of a contract and less than he'd be willing to accept........

today's players would rather just retire than accept a low end (perhaps incentive based) contract to sit the bench.......

 

16 minutes ago, disarcina said:

Gordon is signed through 2019 and then has a mutual club/ player option for 2020.

Angels would be foolish to bail KC out of this terrible contract UNLESS KC pays a good portion of the 2018/19 salary - KC unlikely to agree to do that.

Moustakas is a free agent and is the better option  -- he hit 35 plus HRs last year.

Godron hit .208 last year and .220 the year before playing primarily LF -- you really need some offensive production from your LF'er where most teams place their weakest fielding OF starter.....

Moustakas went to Chastworth HS not Chaminade -- so he is a S. Cal product.

[Ohtaniland]

Ethier on the cheap as a DH and a 4th outfielder?

[stormngt]

I would take Gordon only if we were forced to take that guy Stanton with him.

[oater]

I also vote neither.

[disarcina]

tdawg87 --in a galaxy far, far away.......

I probably couldn't have messed that one up more if I tried.

oh well, it is the OFF season.....

[Ohtaniland]

1 hour ago, disarcina said:

Gordon is signed through 2019 and then has a mutual club/ player option for 2020.

Angels would be foolish to bail KC out of this terrible contract UNLESS KC pays a good portion of the 2018/19 salary - KC unlikely to agree to do that.

Moustakas is a free agent and is the better option  -- he hit 35 plus HRs last year.

Godron hit .208 last year and .220 the year before playing primarily LF -- you really need some offensive production from your LF'er where most teams place their weakest fielding OF starter.....

Moustakas went to Chastworth HS not Chaminade -- so he is a S. Cal product.

Well he actually went to Chatsworth HS but yeah it’s the offseason so you get another mulligan.

[halomatt]

50 minutes ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

Stop doing  drug's. 

lulz

[VariousCrap]

Neither.

Stay away from both.

[ScottT]

No, thanks.

[Ohtaniland]

But we’re wasting the Simmons / Calhoun / Upton good years if we don’t act now and spend another $50M. 

[disarcina]

I'm stopping any commentary while I'm behind.............

[mulwin444]

16 hours ago, Scotty@AW said:

Gordon's ability to get on base is largely dependent upon his ability to hit for average and his batting average is largely dependent upon his ability to run. He's going to slow down, the question is how much? If he can steal around 40 bases instead of 60, he will still be a very good player. But if he's anything like Michael Bourn and his foot speed falls off a cliff, Gordon is useless.

Moustakas sacrificed being a smart selective hitter for the HR. With the success of it, that's just basically who he will be going forward. 

Chabces are, Gordon steal 60 bases is done now. He'll steal 40, then 30, and settle in right there, and thus his OBP will be ok, but not good.

My vote is neither. You have one that will get on base but not for long and another that hits HR's in an era where they are common, but doesn't reach base.

Pretty much this...I hope Eppler chooses "Neither" as well

[ukyah]

12 hours ago, SigBaby said:

Why not just bring back Howie and let Valbuena and Cowart handle third? Let Cron have a chance at full time Ab's

because i'd rather not watch another year of sub 500 baseball. also, kendrick doesn't play second anymore.