More Thoughts & Prayers

[Kevin]

In my opinion it's neutral territory. 

Guns do prove their value with stopping a shooter and preventing the act from becoming more horrific. 

People were shot and they most likely now deal with the psychological trauma along with the physical scars of what happened. If I remember correctly, @wopphil has issues with guns because of an experience he had. 

[UndertheHalo]

1 minute ago, Kevin said:

In my opinion it's neutral territory. 

Guns do prove their value with stopping a shooter and preventing the act from becoming more horrific. 

People were shot and they most likely now deal with the psychological trauma along with the physical scars of what happened. If I remember correctly, @wopphil has issues with guns because of an experience he had. 

Or they make it more horrific.  There’s that possibility also.  

[mtangelsfan]

15 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

I don’t think that having randoms decide to carry out justice on their own is a good thing.  I’m sure you can see the problems that arise with this being widely accepted.  And again, the  shooter still did exactly what he intended on doing.  Nothing was prevented. 

He didn’t stop him. 

That is a bold statement when you have no way of knowing that.

[UndertheHalo]

5 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

That is a bold statement when you have no way of knowing that.

I know it because there’s two shot people.  It’s not bold at all. 

and it sounds like those 2 were exactly who the shooter wanted. 

[mtangelsfan]

12 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

I know it because there’s two shot people.  It’s not bold at all. 

and it sounds like those 2 were exactly who the shooter wanted. 

and you assume he wouldn't have shot anyone else?  You have know way of knowing this.  No way.

[UndertheHalo]

5 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

and you assume he wouldn't have shot anyone else?  You have know way of knowing this.  No way.

Nobody knows either way. 

[Make Angels Great Again]

23 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

 

 and it sounds like those 2 were exactly who the shooter wanted. 

 

Maybe i'm a little behind on this story, but didn't the perp get killed by the civilian? How did they ask the dead guy his motive?

[Make Angels Great Again]

Regardless, if you don't think this is a victory for gun advocates you're kidding yourself.

In simplest terms, guy comes in and shoots some a mother and daughter (who manage to survive, pretty sure that wasn't his intent), and an armed civilian puts his ass down. At the absolute least he saved taxpayers from having to shelter the pricks sorry ass. At the other end he prevented the guy from causing future harm. It sucks for the victims obviously, but they're going to survive. Lots of victims can't say that.

[UndertheHalo]

They didn’t survive because of the other guys gun.  And I think you have an obscenely twisted sense of “victory” 

Edited May 25, 2018 by UndertheHalo

[Adam]

The only issue I have with any of this is that the gun rights narrative is solely focused on gun rights, not freedom in an absolute sense. 

[UndertheHalo]

oh look.  Another school shooting. 

[red321]

3 minutes ago, Adam said:

The only issue I have with any of this is that the gun rights narrative is solely focused on gun rights, not freedom in an absolute sense. 

like the freedom to go to a public place without being mowed down by someone with a military style assault rifle?

[Adam]

1 minute ago, red321 said:

like the freedom to go to a public place without being mowed down by someone with a military style assault rifle?

We protect that freedom the best way we can by making mowing people down with military assault rifles illegal. 

[mtangelsfan]

30 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Nobody knows either way. 

Correct, but you were certain of your position.

On something that cannot be known at this point.

[red321]

32 minutes ago, Adam said:

We protect that freedom the best way we can by making mowing people down with military assault rifles illegal. 

apparently not

[UndertheHalo]

18 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

Correct, but you were certain of your position.

On something that cannot be known at this point.

My entire position has been that the guy wasn’t stopped.  And he wasn’t.  There’s isn’t any evidence in this story to assume he would have carried on.  No, I can’t say it with 100% certainty.  But that doesn’t invalidate what I’ve been saying.  Gun people love to talk about how good guys with guns stop bad guys.  Once again, that position has proven to be bullshit. 

[Adam]

15 minutes ago, red321 said:

apparently not

You can't disregard @Geoff's "ban cars" narrative then. We should all have the right to drive cars without being killed by drunk bitches.

[Thomas]

1 minute ago, UndertheHalo said:

My entire position has been that the guy wasn’t stopped.  And he wasn’t.  

So he went to Dunkin Donuts after the attack?

[Thomas]

54 minutes ago, red321 said:

like the freedom to go to a public place without being mowed down by someone with a military style assault rifle?

Interesting psychology here as a means of persuasion. I wonder intentional or not.  Regardless. Would you feel better if it was with 5 pistols and Nate's shotgun?

[UndertheHalo]

10 minutes ago, Thomas said:

So he went to Dunkin Donuts after the attack?

Yes. 

[mtangelsfan]

13 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

My entire position has been that the guy wasn’t stopped.  And he wasn’t.  There’s isn’t any evidence in this story to assume he would have carried on.  No, I can’t say it with 100% certainty.  But that doesn’t invalidate what I’ve been saying.  Gun people love to talk about how good guys with guns stop bad guys.  Once again, that position has proven to be bullshit. 

I guess we should all just sit back and take it if someone starts shooting, since once they have shot someone they won't be "stopped".

[Lou]

white people 

[Jason]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/28/little-caesars-employee-shoots-kills-attacker-wearing-clown-mask-police-say.html

 

 

[Spirit]

2 hours ago, calscuf said:

No offense to Geoff, but I’m pretty sure everyone tunes out the car schtick at this point.

 

Probably true.  No one gives a shit about people being killed unless it's done with a gun.

 

 

[Jason]

20 minutes ago, Geoff said:

 

Probably true.  No one gives a shit about people being killed unless it's done with a gun.

 

 

That seems to be the case. If it doesn't fit a political narrative then who cares?