More Thoughts & Prayers

[mtangelsfan]

10 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

And automotive fatalities I’m very certain have been researched extensively.  

I'm sure that is true but my question would be what is the point of studying it when it comes with zero results?

Which is my guess for what will happen with the gun study.

[red321]

17 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

I'm sure that is true but my question would be what is the point of studying it when it comes with zero results?

Which is my guess for what will happen with the gun study.

Just because car fatalities still occur doesn't mean studies on car safety, impaired driving, texting and driving, etc. haven't had an impact 

Glad to see you aren't prejudging results

 

[Jason]

36 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

They study data.  Why is this such a point of contention ? Let them study it    This may come as a shock to you Flop.  The CDC does things other then what you’ve seen depicted in movies like outbreak.   The CDC isn’t partisan.  I don’t think you gun folks have much to worry about. 

Exactly what are they going to study in regards to gun violence? What else can they tell us that crime reports don’t? I really don’t understand the need to spend the money on it.

[red321]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

Exactly what are they going to study in regards to gun violence? What else can they tell us that crime reports don’t? I really don’t understand the need to spend the money on it.

oh...i don't know...MENTAL HEALTH?

[mtangelsfan]

33 minutes ago, red321 said:

Just because car fatalities still occur doesn't mean studies on car safety, impaired driving, texting and driving, etc. haven't had an impact 

Glad to see you aren't prejudging results

 

Car deaths haven't dropped. 

[floplag]

1 hour ago, red321 said:

yeah, you seem to be taking the title CDC a tad bit too literal

http://searchhealthit.techtarget.com/definition/Centers-for-Disease-Control-and-Prevention-CDC

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is a federal agency that conducts and supports health promotion, prevention and preparedness activities in the United States, with the goal of improving overall public health. Established in 1946 and based in Atlanta, the CDC is managed by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

Or you are taking it to liberally, pardon the pun.  
If you read a little further youll see the following copied below which says literally nothing about mental health concerns. 
HHS has 5 major departments, none of which are focused on mental heath concerns.  It is at best a side project for them.
The closest they get is SAMHSA where it is combined with substance abuse. 
Perhaps thats part of the problem, we have armies of people working on the next Viagra and noone really watch dogging mental health. 


The CDC works with partners at the local, state and national level to monitor and prevent disease outbreaks (including bioterrorism), implement disease prevention strategies and maintain national health statistics. The agency also leads public health efforts to prevent and control infectious and chronic diseases, injuries, workplace hazards, disabilities and environmental health threats. The CDC focuses on the following five strategic areas: increasing support to local and state health departments, improving global health, decreasing leading causes of death, strengthening surveillance and epidemiology, and reforming health policies.

[red321]

4 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

Car deaths haven't dropped. 

Sure they have, when you look at the number of people, miles driven, cars on the road, etc. the overall percentages as it relates to fatalities has dropped since the 60's and 70's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year

And alcohol impaired driving fatalities stats have dropped as well...64% decrease in the number of drunk driving fatalities per 100k population since 1982

https://www.responsibility.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Alcohol-Impaired-Driving-Fatalities-1982-2016_Per-100000_V-2.pdf

 

 

[floplag]

1 hour ago, UndertheHalo said:

They study data.  Why is this such a point of contention ? Let them study it    This may come as a shock to you Flop.  The CDC does things other then what you’ve seen depicted in movies like outbreak.   The CDC isn’t partisan.  I don’t think you gun folks have much to worry about. 

Interpretation of said data is not their area of expertise.  Without that, its pointless.  I could study data of beekeeping wont mean shit to me.  
And as i have said MANY times here im not a gun nut, dont even own one, so once again i would ask you to keep your assumptions to yourself. 

[red321]

2 minutes ago, floplag said:

Or you are taking it to liberally, pardon the pun.  
If you read a little further youll see the following copied below which says literally nothing about mental health concerns. 
HHS has 5 major departments, none of which are focused on mental heath concerns.  It is at best a side project for them.
The closest they get is SAMHSA where it is combined with substance abuse. 
Perhaps thats part of the problem, we have armies of people working on the next Viagra and noone really watch dogging mental health. 


The CDC works with partners at the local, state and national level to monitor and prevent disease outbreaks (including bioterrorism), implement disease prevention strategies and maintain national health statistics. The agency also leads public health efforts to prevent and control infectious and chronic diseases, injuries, workplace hazards, disabilities and environmental health threats. The CDC focuses on the following five strategic areas: increasing support to local and state health departments, improving global health, decreasing leading causes of death, strengthening surveillance and epidemiology, and reforming health policies.

come on flop...it's not that hard

https://www.cdc.gov/mentalhealth/about/index.htm

Using a public health approach, CDC works to prevent or reduce the impact of mental illness as in the following ways:

Data – We use existing national public health surveys to assess the prevalence, severity, and economic impact of mental disorders in the U.S. and monitor trends and patterns over time.

Tools – We translate research into evidence-based interventions that can be used by health care providers and communities to prevent adverse outcomes associated with mental illness.

Resources – We share effective interventions and implement a coordinated approach among all groups that provide mental health services.

Evaluation – We monitor and evaluate services and treatments of mental disorders to identify, improve, and scale what works.

[mtangelsfan]

12 minutes ago, red321 said:

Sure they have, when you look at the number of people, miles driven, cars on the road, etc. the overall percentages as it relates to fatalities has dropped since the 60's and 70's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year

And alcohol impaired driving fatalities stats have dropped as well...64% decrease in the number of drunk driving fatalities per 100k population since 1982

https://www.responsibility.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Alcohol-Impaired-Driving-Fatalities-1982-2016_Per-100000_V-2.pdf

 

 

Cool, but I wonder how much of that is auto maker driven

[red321]

1 minute ago, mtangelsfan said:

Cool, but I wonder how much of that is auto maker driven

And how much of that is government/university/industry studies that create data/reports which are used to develop regulations that require car manufacturers to do things like safety belts...or air bags...or tougher drinking and driving laws.

I'm not saying CDC studies of gun violence will solve the problem...but the fact it was expressly forbidden was absolutely ridiculous and rather than tying our hands behind our back allowing one of the government agencies primarily responsible for studying public health/mental health should be seen as a positive step forward.

[UndertheHalo]

52 minutes ago, red321 said:

And how much of that is government/university/industry studies that create data/reports which are used to develop regulations that require car manufacturers to do things like safety belts...or air bags...or tougher drinking and driving laws.

I'm not saying CDC studies of gun violence will solve the problem...but the fact it was expressly forbidden was absolutely ridiculous and rather than tying our hands behind our back allowing one of the government agencies primarily responsible for studying public health/mental health should be seen as a positive step forward.

Absolutely this.  There’s literally no harm in it. 

[mtangelsfan]

Except the money

[Jason]

1 minute ago, mtangelsfan said:

Except the money

Our leaders are experts at wasting money so why should this be any different?

[floplag]

1 hour ago, red321 said:

come on flop...it's not that hard

https://www.cdc.gov/mentalhealth/about/index.htm

Using a public health approach, CDC works to prevent or reduce the impact of mental illness as in the following ways:

Data – We use existing national public health surveys to assess the prevalence, severity, and economic impact of mental disorders in the U.S. and monitor trends and patterns over time.

Tools – We translate research into evidence-based interventions that can be used by health care providers and communities to prevent adverse outcomes associated with mental illness.

Resources – We share effective interventions and implement a coordinated approach among all groups that provide mental health services.

Evaluation – We monitor and evaluate services and treatments of mental disorders to identify, improve, and scale what works.

"reduce the impact", yes that just screams prevention and intervention and resolution
You can buy into that if you wish.

[UndertheHalo]

1 hour ago, floplag said:

Interpretation of said data is not their area of expertise.  Without that, its pointless.  I could study data of beekeeping wont mean shit to me.  
And as i have said MANY times here im not a gun nut, dont even own one, so once again i would ask you to keep your assumptions to yourself. 

But it is their area of expertise.  And I didn’t make any assumption.  You make your opinions well known here. 

[UndertheHalo]

14 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

Except the money

No point in arguing this, neither of us know what something like this would cost.  Safe to assume it probably wouldn’t do much of anything to the budget I would think.  The benefit is probably pretty solid vs.  the cost. It’s a huge problem.  I think we all agree on that.  Learning more about it is useful. 

Edited March 23, 2018 by UndertheHalo

[UndertheHalo]

13 minutes ago, Jason said:

Our leaders are experts at wasting money so why should this be any different?

The CDC i doubt is noted for massive waste. 

[Tank]

5 hours ago, floplag said:

How the fuck is gun violence a CDC concern?   Does the ATF research ebola?   
This is just idiotic bureaucracy in action so they can say they spent money on something they really havent.  Reminds me of the early days of Aids when govt claimed millions were being spent when most was at best tangent research on other things.
The CDC needs to focus on disease, cancer, even the common cold and pneumonia... leave guns to those who might be able to do something about it 

on the surface, it seems odd that it's the CDC tasked with this job. kind of like finding out that the secret service is the organization that deals with counterfeit money.

i don't care who studies it, but i'd like to see what they come up with and see if that can lead to some answers.

[mtangelsfan]

12 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

No point in arguing this, neither of us know what something like this would cost.  Safe to assume it probably wouldn’t do much of anything to the budget I would think.  The benefit is probably pretty solid vs.  the cost. It’s a huge problem.  I think we all agree on that.  Learning more about it is useful. 

Perhaps, but the $$$$$$ just keeps adding up even if this is a microscopic blip.

[floplag]

1 hour ago, UndertheHalo said:

But it is their area of expertise.  And I didn’t make any assumption.  You make your opinions well known here. 

and yet the fact that i dont even own a gun justifies youre "coming for your guns" tripe?  yeah, nice try.  

[Jason]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/28566/backfire-broward-county-implements-solution-school-ryan-saavedra

LOL!

[UndertheHalo]

48 minutes ago, floplag said:

and yet the fact that i dont even own a gun justifies youre "coming for your guns" tripe?  yeah, nice try.  

 What on earth are you talking about.  I literally said “the cdc is not partisan” “I don’t think you gun folks have anything to worry about”  And some how you’ve turned that into some apparently unfair assumption about you.  I mean what did you think I was saying ? It seems clear enough to me that I was simply saying that I felt that CDC would be fair in their possible study on the topic. You are very loudly and plainly on the anti gun control side of this fence.  Whether or not you personally own a gun or not doesn’t have any bearing on this conversation. 

Edited March 23, 2018 by UndertheHalo

[mtangelsfan]

3 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

 What on earth are you talking about.  I literally said “the cdc is not partisan” “I don’t think you gun folks have anything to worry about”  And some how you’ve turned that into some apparently unfair assumption about you.  I mean what did you think I was saying ? It seems clear enough to me that I was simply saying that I felt that CDC would be fair in their possible study on the topic. You are very loudly and plainly on the anti gun control side of this fence.  Whether or not you personally own a gun or not doesn’t have any bearing on this conversation. 

I think the term "gun folks" could be easily interpreted to mean that, don't you?

[InsideThePark]

Yeah, so about that shooting the other day...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/03/22/school-shooting-victim-brain-dead/451670002/

A 16-year-old girl who was wounded in a shooting this week at a Maryland high school will be taken off life support on Thursday night, her family said.