Mike Clevinger

[AngelStew43]

19 hours ago, Dave Saltzer said:

Wrong. Reagins' biggest mistake was firing Eddie Bane. Period. Not even close. He did that for all the WRONG reasons. That set this franchise back tremendously.

Eddie Bane can find a good MLB pitcher in the dark, in the middle of winter.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

On 9/16/2017 at 9:58 AM, stormngt said:

Reagins major fail is Vernon Wells, and coming to the winter meetings late and losing a chance to bid on Crawford (ends up being a blessing).  He did sign Hunter.  Am i  missing anything?

Losing out on Adrian Beltre,  who by all accounts wanted to sign with the Angels.

[Ohtaniland]

13 hours ago, bloodbrother said:

Dipoto's only real strength as a GM is his mouth. Dude talks a good game and it ropes fans in(myself included). The actual track record is straight up dogshit and so far he doesn't look to be doing much better in Seattle. For a former pitcher, he sure sucks at identifying pitchers. Can't build a bullpen, acquires trash starters, etc

But we absolutely adored this guy when we hired him. Remember the "Thank you Jerry" !!!

 

[Angel Oracle]

5 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

Stoneman..

Clay Daniels was an amazing judge of talent -- the dude was just corrupt.   Donny Rowland was similarly amazing at his job, but he was a major douchebag.   They were both twats but that didn't mean they weren't good at their jobs.

Would be nice to get someone that good who actually had some character.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

18 minutes ago, Calzone said:

But we absolutely adored this guy when we hired him. Remember the "Thank you Jerry" !!!

 

The expression on Scioscia's face is priceless.

[Lou]

Scioscia was right 

[Lou]

42 minutes ago, AngelStew43 said:

Eddie Bane can find a good MLB pitcher in the dark, in the middle of winter.

Oh yeah, I had forgotten about Ryan Chaffee and Jonathan Bachanov 

[Jeff Fletcher]

On 9/15/2017 at 10:12 AM, nate said:

Dominating for Cleveland.

The Angels of course traded him for Vinnie Pestano.

Another reason to hold onto pitching prospects at all cost, even the crappy ones.

Or....

Grab other pitching prospects whenever you can, even for middle relievers having career years when you're 4 games under .500 at the deadline. 

[nate]

¿Porque no los dos?

[Angel Oracle]

13 hours ago, Lou said:

Oh yeah, I had forgotten about Ryan Chaffee and Jonathan Bachanov 

And Bozo's grandson

[Lou]

9 hours ago, nate said:

¿Porque no los dos?

Es deficíl porque cada equipo quiere lo mismo cosa

[nate]

1 minute ago, Lou said:

Es deficíl porque cada equipo quiere lo mismo cosa

well, of course

thanks for making me use google translate... asshole

[Inside Pitch]

7 minutes ago, Lou said:

Es deficíl porque cada equipo quiere lo mismo cosa

"la"  -- policia de gramática

 

[stormngt]

19 hours ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

Losing out on Adrian Beltre,  who by all accounts wanted to sign with the Angels.

I can't count that on Reagins.  It is only speculation that he wanted to sign with the Angels.  It is only speculation that all the Angels needed was offer the sixth year.  We don't know if Beltre wanted to sign with the Angels more than Texas.  We don't know if we offered a sixth year that wouldn't have gone to Texas and ask them to up the offer.  If fact, I wouldn't be surprised that the person who started the rumor that Beltre "wanted to sign with the Angels" was Boras himself hoping we would continue the bidding contest between us and Texas.

My point is we can't factually say it was Reagins missteps that cost us Beltre and not some "other factor".

[Lou]

 

10 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

"la"  -- policia de gramática

My bad. i got interrupted and when I came back to it I added "cosa"

 

pendejo 

[aznhockeyguy]

Re. Greyson Long.  Even if he turns into Clevinger, the fact that the Angels traded him for one of the top LFers is good enough for me.  The Angels actually got someone useful and with a proven track record of production and filled a key need.  Trading Clevinger for some middleing reliever with no history or track record of success was a giant mistake.

[Angel Oracle]

Pestano had some success, but it was some 2-3 years BEFORE the Halos traded Clevenger for him.   Bad trade man, bad bleeping trade! 

[gurn67]

Cleveland writer revisited the trade today.

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2017/09/cleveland_indians_inside_story_1.html

[ten ocho recon scout]

On 9/18/2017 at 2:30 PM, nate said:

¿Porque no los dos?

I feel like thats the "2 whats" scene in my cousin vinny if you had the subtitles turned on.

[totdprods]

On 9/19/2017 at 5:33 PM, aznhockeyguy said:

Re. Greyson Long.  Even if he turns into Clevinger, the fact that the Angels traded him for one of the top LFers is good enough for me.  The Angels actually got someone useful and with a proven track record of production and filled a key need.  Trading Clevinger for some middleing reliever with no history or track record of success was a giant mistake.

Yup - you have to give to get and someone like Upton is going to cost talent. 

Vinnie Pestano shouldn't have. See Bridwell, Parker.

[UndertheHalo]

Isn't Clevengier a guy that hardly throws strikes.  I mean it's working for him obviously, but one wonders about how sustainable that is.  This guy isn't Chris Sale. 

Obviously not a great move for the Angels in any case. 

[totdprods]

31 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Isn't Clevengier a guy that hardly throws strikes.  I mean it's working for him obviously, but one wonders about how sustainable that is.  This guy isn't Chris Sale. 

Obviously not a great move for the Angels in any case. 

He walks a fair bit but the dude pitches. Every game I've seen his intensity is ratcheted up, he attacks hitters, and he seems to really stick with a strategy while adjusting on the fly. Stuff-wise he's different from Bridwell, but between the ears they two guys are pretty similar.

[aznhockeyguy]

After reading the article, at the time of the trade it was a reclamation project for both teams.  Helped me get some context but still, I usually go for the younger, starter type projects rather than the older, reliever type projects.  It's just one of those minor trades that worked out really well for the Indians. 

[JustATroutFan]

Hindsight is 20/20, guys. There are trades that work your favors, others that work in the other team's favors, and there are trade that both team wins. At the time of the trade, Pestano had two good years while Clevanger was unproven.

[totdprods]

In theory, yes, the concept of this trade wasn't outwardly terrible - a struggling class A pitcher for a former standout vet reliever to help a team making a playoff push isn't a poor trade, it was just made much worse because Dipoto did so many trades of this sort. Not everyone dealt wound up like Pestano and Clevinger, but Dipoto bled the farm dry with shit to show for it, and this trade blowing up in our face in particular is sort of the hallmark for the Dipoto era, and that's what makes it sting so much.