AngelsWin.com Today: 2017 Trade Deadline Series: Bud Norris

[eligrba]

18 hours ago, Scotty@AW said:

Well shoot, if we keep winning ball games we'll have to settle for making the playoffs instead of trading for prospects.

I would rather trade for prospects expecting to make the playoffs the following years.....thinking about playoffs this year makes the season exciting but hurts the long-term goals of building a sustainable winner if it means no trades.

[Second Base]

2 minutes ago, eligrba said:

I would rather trade for prospects expecting to make the playoffs the following years.....thinking about playoffs this year makes the season exciting but hurts the long-term goals of building a sustainable winner if it means no trades.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[ettin]

2 hours ago, Scotty@AW said:

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

That sounds like a Trump quote.

 

 

 

That is a small fingers and hands joke.

[ten ocho recon scout]

17 hours ago, eligrba said:

I would rather trade for prospects expecting to make the playoffs the following years.....thinking about playoffs this year makes the season exciting but hurts the long-term goals of building a sustainable winner if it means no trades.

This is where im at. It sucks because this team has something going for it....a shot in the arm with a bonafide starter could be huge...but i still think its shortsighted. 

I want to get back to the 2000s where we were in the mix year in, year out. Not another 2014 with 13 and 15 around it.

[ukyah]

irregardless of wins, if the angels can get legit A or A+ position or SP prospects for some of their relievers, then they have to do it. we're having a decent season, but this isn't a world series team. they need to grab the opportunities when they can, that's how eppler will dig themselves out of this hole that they're in. so far, to his credit, i really like what eppler has done.

[ten ocho recon scout]

I would think relievers are the hottest commodity at the deadline aside feom bonafide aces (but top tier SP arent as available). I wouldnt be opposed even to trading now for a bat, even when pitching is our biggest need, with intention of moving the same bat this winter when the price might bring back more. Just something more long term that plugging a hole when we still dont have pitching depth for a real playoff run...

[Farmbuildingfan]

On 6/28/2017 at 7:29 AM, eligrba said:

I would rather trade for prospects expecting to make the playoffs the following years.....thinking about playoffs this year makes the season exciting but hurts the long-term goals of building a sustainable winner if it means no trades.

I agree 100%.

I would really like to see both Skaggs and Shoemaker return before the trade deadline, while Nolasco and Chavez find a groove and have more performances like their last starts.

Then I would like to trade both Nolasco and Chavez for two prospects each that the Angels could develop..   

[disarcina]

great work/ analysis in the posted article.

I agree with almost all the deadline deals outlined with the exception of Blake Parker......I think he has proven himself this year, is likely under club control for a number of years and is either a potential solid set up guy or even closer -- and if not that -- a every effective pen depth guy in the 5th-7th inning type role he is playing now.

perhaps the most looming question for the Halos right now are we actually going to be sellers so that we can make some of the well - thought out and analyzed deals that have been outlined in the excellent article above.......or is the front office, suddenly dazzled by the better play of the Halos lately and now getting Trout back in the line-up -- have illusions of grandeur that we can get one of the wild card playoff spots this year.......decide to do little -- perhaps even make a minor deal (not really being deadline 'buyers' but enough to say 'we did something' and preventing the Halos from being true 'sellers') and then miss the deadline opportunities to strengthen the club for 2018 moving forward AND either miss the playoffs entirely or be a one game and done wild card team..........

I'd make any one or several of the deadline deals proposed above.........except ones involving Parker.

[disarcina]

I don't see Nolasco getting traded at deadline time UNLESS all of our injured starters are suddenly healed and ready to go for the long run (and that's simply not happening within the next two- three weeks).

We got Nolasco and Meyer in the Hector Santiago deadline deal last year --- a pretty good deadline transaction for us.

Yes, Nolasco gives up dingers and Meyer was pretty shaky control wise (early in the game) vs. Dodgers in his start Wednesday -- but his line score numbers looked good (better than he actually pitched).

These are two players under contract (Nolasco) and club control (Meyer) for a few years -- Nolasco can eat innings (and give up dingers) and Meyer has some promise as a rotation guys - at least 4th/5th starter, maybe even more which would be an absolute bonus........I don't see the Halos moving them at deadline time.......off season - perhaps with the right deal and depending on how all the DL rotation guys are doing  (reports on Skaggs are discouraging long term).

[totdprods]

9 minutes ago, disarcina said:

I don't see Nolasco getting traded at deadline time UNLESS all of our injured starters are suddenly healed and ready to go for the long run (and that's simply not happening within the next two- three weeks).

We got Nolasco and Meyer in the Hector Santiago deadline deal last year --- a pretty good deadline transaction for us.

Yes, Nolasco gives up dingers and Meyer was pretty shaky control wise (early in the game) vs. Dodgers in his start Wednesday -- but his line score numbers looked good (better than he actually pitched).

These are two players under contract (Nolasco) and club control (Meyer) for a few years -- Nolasco can eat innings (and give up dingers) and Meyer has some promise as a rotation guys - at least 4th/5th starter, maybe even more which would be an absolute bonus........I don't see the Halos moving them at deadline time.......off season - perhaps with the right deal and depending on how all the DL rotation guys are doing  (reports on Skaggs are discouraging long term).

Nolasco is a FA at year's end, unless his option vests (400 IP between '16-'17, which is looking unlikely right now) but I agree that he likely isn't going anywhere due to the health of our starters. 

[ettin]

1 hour ago, totdprods said:

Nolasco is a FA at year's end, unless his option vests (400 IP between '16-'17, which is looking unlikely right now) but I agree that he likely isn't going anywhere due to the health of our starters. 

And we should remember that the vesting option was to turn his 2018 option from a team option to a player option. Since that likely won't happen now the Angels still hold a team option on him for 2018 which they will likely only exercise if there are a slew of injuries in the next handful of months. As @Jeff Fletcher noted the market will pay about the same amount his option is worth for a pitcher like Nolasco to pitch as many innings as he has year to year so there is a distinct possibility the Angels pick up the option and then trade him too.

Edited June 30, 2017 by ettin

[Angel Oracle]

Back on OP's topic, Norris may be activated real soon.   If so, gives teams almost a month to scout him.   

[disarcina]

do any starters pitch 200 IP a year these days?  So Nolasco probably won't reach 400 IP for combined 2016-17 and if he even gets close -- and I don't think he is but will check -- Halos may have him skip some starts in August/ September.........I do seem to remember that when we got Nolasco in the Hector Santiago trade, there appeared a way he would stay under contract for up to four years from when we got him.........we also got Meyer in that deal.

Meanwhile, check out Hector Santiago's line score for yesterday's Minnesota game - he is now 4-8 and I think his ERA is north of 6.00.

[disarcina]

Nolasco pitched  197.2 IP in 2016 between Angels and Twins -- he has pitched 99.2 so far this year. so that's 296.4 -- so he needs 103.6 or 104 IP by season's end to reach 400 IP. If MLB pitchers are going about 6 IP avg. per start -- then that is 17/18 more starts and at the rate Nolasco is going (without missing any starts -- which is unlikely) the max starts he would get by end of season is 15  -- so at 6 IP per start that's 90 IP when he needs 103.6.  Somewhat closer than I thought he would be -- but no cigar,

that being said, sure Nolasco gives up a lot of dingers, always over his career.......but Halos got him for insurance and to eat innings if any Halos starters went down -- they went down and Nolasco has performed pretty much as expected -- and, more significantly from Halos' standpoint -- better than Santiago would have.........and we got Meyer.

[ettin]

The White Sox reportedly received Ryan Cordell for Anthony Swarzak. I think that is a great get for the Sox for a cheap reliever rental. I suggested Cordell in this series for one of our guys (Norris or Hernandez). Speaking of Swarzak why didn't we sign him in the off-season? I digress on the latter.

[totdprods]

8 minutes ago, ettin said:

The White Sox reportedly received Ryan Cordell for Anthony Swarzak. I think that is a great get for the Sox for a cheap reliever rental. I suggested Cordell in this series for one of our guys (Norris or Hernandez). Speaking of Swarzak why didn't we sign him in the off-season? I digress on the latter.

I basically just echoed this in the Trade Deadline thread!

You were dead on with the Swarzak call this offseason by the way. Brilliant catch.

[ettin]

Just now, totdprods said:

I basically just echoed this in the Trade Deadline thread!

You were dead on with the Swarzak call this offseason by the way. Brilliant catch.

Cordell could have been a 3B solution possibly. I believe I read a scouting report that indicated he was athletic enough to play the corners or 3B.

[Angel Oracle]

Norris screwed any chance last night at being a solid piece to dangle.

Rudy Stein showed better command and better ability at holding runners on.

[DMVol]

1 hour ago, Angel Oracle said:

Norris screwed any chance last night at being a solid piece to dangle.

Rudy Stein showed better command and better ability at holding runners on.

Never thought he was going to bring back a decent prospect but last night may have eliminated any doubt about his value...overall, he's been good (last night aside) but I have a hard time thinking any team would give us a good prospect for him....he's still new to relieving and he's been pretty wild, even when he's held on a for a save (last night aside)....