Trump as CINC

[Rico]

4 hours ago, Blarg said:

You guys are acting like this was a Blackhawk Down level catastrophic event. It wasn't. 

1 Seal dead, at least 3 others wounded, a 75 million dollar MV-22 Osprey lost, up to 31 civilians dead including an 8 year old girl American citizen.

It's still pretty bad.

[Rico]

What gets me is at one point they realized the mission had been compromised and someone gave them the order to keep going.

[Stradling]

The idea that the military intelligence community acts all willynilly about an operation or at the end just says "fuck it, let's do it anyway" is laughable.  Every mission comes with a certain amount of risk.  

[Thomas]

7 hours ago, Rico said:

a 75 million dollar MV-22 Osprey lost

To be fair as awesome as the plane is they have been damn near disposable so far.

[Taylor]

7 hours ago, Rico said:

1 Seal dead, at least 3 others wounded, a 75 million dollar MV-22 Osprey lost, up to 31 civilians dead including an 8 year old girl American citizen.

It's still pretty bad.

We honor the family of the Navy SEAL, but no one gives an F about 31 f'n civilians.

[Glen]

1 hour ago, Thomas said:

To be fair as awesome as the plane is they have been damn near disposable so far.

After the initial fatal flaws they've actually become fairly reliable, as I understand it.  They're no F-35.

[Ordos]

1 hour ago, Taylor said:

We honor the family of the Navy SEAL, but no one gives an F about 31 f'n civilians.

Were they 'Murican or brown?

[Thomas]

28 minutes ago, Glen said:

After the initial fatal flaws they've actually become fairly reliable, as I understand it.  They're no F-35.

Eh?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accidents_and_incidents_involving_the_V-22_Osprey#May_2015

I think it's a vital aircraft and even more vital in aircraft development but boy has the road been, perhaps predictably, bumpy.

And surprisingly the F-35 has been getting relatively decent press lately. Granted when you hit rock bottom the only way is up but still.

[arch stanton]

3 minutes ago, Thomas said:

Eh?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accidents_and_incidents_involving_the_V-22_Osprey#May_2015

I think it's a vital aircraft and even more vital in aircraft development but boy has the road been, perhaps predictably, bumpy.

And surprisingly the F-35 has been getting relatively decent press lately. Granted when you hit rock bottom the only way is up but still.

The Navy version is still a mess

http://ctmirror.org/2017/01/10/mccain-blasts-dod-lockheed-martin-for-new-f-35-delays/

[Glen]

The 2015 crash was due to the dusty conditions and the 2016 was because of the rotor blade striking the IFR hose. Not necessarily related to aircraft deficiencies. As you said, when you've hit rock bottom...

[Vegas Halo Fan]

On 3/1/2017 at 11:58 PM, Lou said:

what does ISIS have to do with this?

Trump authorized a military mission into an ISIS stronghold without proper intelligence. Quite a lot, I would say.

[arch stanton]

That part of Yemen isn't really ISIS friendly. The Houthis are backed by Iran

[Amazing Larry]

So the Houthis are backed by Iran, Iran is backed by Putin, Putin is backed by Trump, and Trump is backed by the House of Saud. Amirite?!!!

[Lou]

3 hours ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

Trump authorized a military mission into an ISIS stronghold without proper intelligence. Quite a lot, I would say.

no, he did not. he authorized a military mission into an Al Qaeda stronghold.  even if you didn't read the article Glen posted, he pasted this portion:

" As a result, three officials said, the attacking SEAL team found itself dropping onto a reinforced al Qaeda base defended by landmines, snipers, and a larger than expected contingent of heavily armed Islamist extremists."

i hope you realize there's a difference between the two.

 

Edited March 7, 2017 by Lou

[Vegas Halo Fan]

After a while these radical Islamic groups all run together. My bad. Thanks for pointing it out, because it is far more important that I identified the wrong radical Islamic group than the President authorizing a special forces mission without current intelligence.

[arch stanton]

I guess we could clarify a bit. Al Qaeda on the Arabian Peninsula have pledged to the Caliphate but are not under any direct control or influence. it's kinda like the Greeks and Turks both being NATO members.

[Lou]

5 minutes ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

After a while these radical Islamic groups all run together. My bad.

I blame Jack Bauer 

[Lou]

1 hour ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

After a while these radical Islamic groups all run together. My bad*. Thanks for pointing it out, because it is far more important that I identified the wrong radical Islamic group than the President authorizing a special forces mission without current intelligence.

I credit Jack Bauer 

*and it's i'm bad

[Glen]

This'll definitely help the troops over there.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/10/519646252/afghans-who-worked-with-u-s-forces-told-they-can-no-longer-apply-for-special-vis?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20170310

[arch stanton]

If I was a military commander right now I'd be pretty pissed at my CINC