Angels acquire Cameron Maybin for Alcantara

[Docwaukee]

I think his 2015 is a good example of what we can expect sans the horrendous defense.  

What's amazing is that his BABIP has been so low for a guy who has very good speed.  For his career prior to 2016, it was around .315.  

This is such a similar trade to Escobar.  It makes me think that Eppler and crew have potentially identified something in these guys performances where it's not quite the aberration that some maybe thing by looking at certain metrics.  

It's interesting to look at the performances of other corner outfielders in terms of expectations.  Corey Dickerson was avg offensively and slightly below avg defensively ending up with 1.6 WAR.  Adam Duval was slightly above avg on both side of the ball and had a 2.8 WAR.  Something around 2.0 WAR would be acceptable.  

[Oz27]

34 minutes ago, oater said:

Can you explain why the AAV is $5.5MM?  I have read that team options are treated as one year contracts when exercised.  I am not sure how the $1MM buyout is handled where the trade occurs before the option is exercised, but I don't see how the AAV for the 2017 contract is less than $8MM.

You are correct, I was wrong. Scratch that then.

[Oz27]

" In 2014, Angels left fielders were bad. In 2015, they were worse. In 2016, they were worse still. Over the last three years combined, Angels left fielders have posted a .602 OPS. Second-worst are the Phillies, at .645. Then you get the Astros, at .682. The Angels were the worst this year, and they were the worst last year, and over these three seasons, no baseball team has had a greater number of left fielders suit up. For some teams, certain positions are catastrophes. That corner of the outfield in Anaheim has been a train wreck."

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/cameron-maybin-is-the-start-of-the-offseason/

No matter how many times I see those numbers, I never feel any less stunned by them.

[ettin]

29 minutes ago, oater said:

Can you explain why the AAV is $5.5MM?  I have read that team options are treated as one year contracts when exercised.  I am not sure how the $1MM buyout is handled where the trade occurs before the option is exercised, but I don't see how the AAV for the 2017 contract is less than $8MM.

Regardless, I think this is a great trade.  Good value for Alcantara who profiles very similarly to Jose Valdez who was acquired from (. . .drum roll . . .) the Tigers for cash!

Actually Oater you are correct my mistake. It is $8MM as an option year:

(2)

Average Annual Value of Guaranteed Multi-Year Contracts

A Uniform Player’s Contract with a term of more than one (1)

championship season (“Multi-Year Contract”) shall be deemed to

have a Salary in each Guaranteed Year equal to the “Average Annual

Value” of the Contract (plus any bonuses subsequently included by

operation of Section E(4) below). “Average Annual Value” shall be

calculated as follows: the sum of (a) the Base Salary in each Guar-

anteed Year plus (b) any portion of a Signing Bonus (or any other

payment that this Article deems to be a Signing Bonus) attributed to

a Guaranteed Year in accordance with Section E(3) below plus (c)

any deferred compensation or annuity compensation costs attributed

to a Guaranteed Year in accordance with Section E(6) below shall

be divided by the number of Guaranteed Years.

 

(5)

Option Contracts

(a) Definitions

(i) A “Club Option Year” shall mean a championship season

covered by a Uniform Player’s Contract in which the amount

payable pursuant to paragraph 2 of the Contract becomes due or

guaranteed at the election of the Club or by reason of specified

performance by a Player. Club Option Years shall not be consid

ered “Guaranteed Years.” In addition, any other championship

season included in a Multi-Year Contract that is not a Guaranteed

Year shall be treated as a Club Option Year.

 

Sorry!

 

[ukyah]

41 minutes ago, Troll Daddy said:

I appreciate your response but I know what he said ... my opinion is based on common sense. 

 

i love when people use "common sense", advantage ukyah.

[arch stanton]

I hope when they address 2B they continue to find guys who can run and play defense. We don't fare well with guys whose primary asset is power.

[Billy_Ball]

[Rico]

All last season I wondered why Alcantara was listed as a top ten prospect for us.  He may have good stuff, but he hasn't produced.  There were at least 2 or 3 less heralded young arms in AA/AAA that had better seasons.

[Rico]

As for Escobar.  Asking him to move to second base would solve a lot of problems.  The question is how willing is he to make the move, and can he actually field the position adequately.  But it would be nice to keep his and Marte's bats in the lineup.

[Mark68]

7 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

Maybin >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JoyceNavaGentryVictorinoMurphyRobinsonetc

This. The bar has been set so low for LF that even if/when Maybin's BABIP regresses, this is still a good trade.

[Oz27]

4 hours ago, Troll Daddy said:

 my opinion is based on common sense. 

Why the change in approach?

[ABC]

 

Joyce had one bad season in his career. Maybin has had one good season. I'll take Joyce over Maybin every day.

Joyce 2016

.242

.403

.463

.866

[ABC]

Edge: DiPotoe

[ABC]

Matt Joyce of
1 year/$1M (2016)

• 1 year (2016)
  • signed by Pittsburgh as a free agent 2/18/16 (minor-league contract with salary of $1M in majors)
  • contract selected by Pittsburgh 3/29/16
• 1 year/$4.75M (2015)
  • signed by LA Angels 2/9/15 (avoided arbitration, $5.2M-$4.2M)
• 1 year/$3.7M (2013)
  • re-signed by Tampa Bay 1/17/14 (avoided arbitration)
  • acquired by LA Angels in trade from Tampa Bay 12/16/14
• 1 year/$2.45M (2013)
  • re-signed by Tampa Bay 1/18/13 (avoided arbitration)
• 1 year/$0.4995M (2012)
  • re-signed by Tampa Bay 3/3/12
• 1 year/$0.4265M (2011)
  • re-signed by Tampa Bay 2/26/11
• 1 year/$0.406M (2010)
  • re-signed by Tampa Bay 3/3/10
• 1 year/$0.4104M (2009)
  • acquired by Tampa Bay in trade from Detroit 12/10/08
  • re-signed by Tampa Bay 2/25/09
• 1 year (2008)
  • contract purchased by Detroit 5/5/08
• drafted by Detroit 2005 (12-360) (Florida Southern)
• agent: ACES
• ML service: 6.123

[CanadianHalo]

Escobar (2B)

Maybin (LF)

Trout (CF)

Turner (3B)

Pujols (1B)

Calhoun (RF)

Cron (DH)

Simmons (SS)

Bandy (C)

 

About as good as they could do now with the Maybin trade. Won't get you in the playoffs but they'll be a bit better than this years team. 

 

 

[totdprods]

Any lineup with Escobar at second may as well have Mookie Betts in LF and Nolan Arenado at 3B, because it flatly isn't happening.

[Stradling]

18 minutes ago, totdprods said:

Any lineup with Escobar at second may as well have Mookie Betts in LF and Nolan Arenado at 3B, because it flatly isn't happening.

Exactly this. 

[totdprods]

I also really doubt this happens, and I'm not suggesting they do this, but if somehow the Angels find themselves with an opportunity to bring in a big OF still, Maybin could also just be a really expensive 4th OF.  

[CanadianHalo]

2 minutes ago, totdprods said:

I also really doubt this happens, and I'm not suggesting they do this, but if somehow the Angels find themselves with an opportunity to bring in a big OF still, Maybin could also just be a really expensive 4th OF.  

Yeah the thought of trading Calhoun for pitching and signing Cespedes has definitely crossed my mind ha! God I want Cespedes on this team so badly!

 

I also REALLY wish we would've saved our Santiago bullet for a guy like Dietrich

 

[Jay]

6 hours ago, Billy_Ball said:

Cameron, my man...!

 

[totdprods]

10 minutes ago, CanadianHalo said:

Yeah the thought of trading Calhoun for pitching and signing Cespedes has definitely crossed my mind ha! God I want Cespedes on this team so badly!

 

I also REALLY wish we would've saved our Santiago bullet for a guy like Dietrich

 

Yup - I'm not pushing for dealing Calhoun by any means, but just by addressing LF so quickly (and relatively cheaply) it gives Eppler the flexibility to at least shop Calhoun for legit SPs, knowing that he can still turn to free agency for another OF still, or the option of waiting out on an ideal contract for a FA. Look at how long it took Fowler (or most of the outfielders) to sign last offseason.

Wouldn't surprise me if someone like Reddick and Saunders wind up signing really late because they hold out for too much or the plethora of Pagan, Bourjos, Blanco types results in us snagging one as a 4th OF.

Doubtful Cespedes drops enough in price or demand for that scenario to play out, but never know!

[wopphil]

I like this trade. very low risk, minimum commitment. Maybin should be better than anything we have thrown out there the last three years. Alcantara will probably never crack a big league roster.

It would be interesting to see the team move Escobar for pen help and put Marte at third. That would save some legit money to be used toward a second baseman and rotation piece. If things break right, the team could be competitive.

[totdprods]

20 minutes ago, CanadianHalo said:

I also REALLY wish we would've saved our Santiago bullet for a guy like Dietrich.

He may still be obtainable. Marlins need arms most, but I could see us dangling a catcher in a three-team deal involving him. 

I'm happy with what we got for Santiago.

I recall us being in on Brett Lawrie last offseason, and the Sox may be interested in shopping or non-tendering him as well.

[Jason]

6 hours ago, Rico said:

As for Escobar.  Asking him to move to second base would solve a lot of problems.  The question is how willing is he to make the move, and can he actually field the position adequately.  But it would be nice to keep his and Marte's bats in the lineup.

I honestly don't think he fielded 3B that well. I'd be good with his move to 2B.

[Jeff Fletcher]

Didn't make it all the way through this thread but wanted to add this...

A scout who has covered the Angels system for several years told me that Alcantara was, in his opinion, the best prospect in the system. Said he looked like a big league 7th or 8th inning guy. 

This needs a huge caveat though: this scout had not seen the short season teams or the 2016 draftees, so not Jones or Thaiss. But he did like him better than Ward. 

Also, this scout really hates the Angels farm system, so even if he did think  Alcantara is the best, that still doesn't mean he thinks he's good. If a guy might be a 7th inning guy, how valuable is that? He could just be JC Ramirez. 

I am not sure how good Maybin will be, but if he plays great defense, as he should, and has a .340 OBP, that's a big upgrade from the awful defense and .275ish OBP (guessing, didn't look it up) they got out of LF last year. 

Theres also very little risk to this deal, and it's one year, so they don't spend any of their 2018 money, when the market will be better.