Simmons and Carlos Perez(?!) are gold glove finalists.

[Oz27]

16 hours ago, ukyah said:

the criterion that offense isn't included in judgement is laughable.

I strongly believe that the biggest factor in non-statistical judgements about a player's defense is their offensive ability, which is pretty sily.

[disarcina]

more about gold glove awards over the year -- went back and checked.  Jim Kaat may have more gold gloves than any one else in MLB history.

He even won two more in the NL when he was traded to Philadelphia at the tail end of his career -- for at least one of those years, he probably wasn't even in the starting rotation but was more of a long relief guy/ spot starter -- remember -- this would have been 'back in the day' when the pen wasn't staffed the way it is today with designated closers, set up guys, pre- set up guys........you pretty much had starters and long relief.  As Bob Gibson or one of the pitchers back in that era once said -  if the manager was going to the pen, it meant you pitched a bad game........starters routinely had 25 plus complete game stats back then........now most TEAMS don't hit double digits for total CG for all starters in a season.