A-Rod: "Joe Maddon was the Angels' mastermind."

[Stradling]

4 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

In 2006 they lost 101...  with Maddon.   In 2007 they lost 96....  with Maddon.   Sometimes it takes a few seasons for the genius or magic to kick in...

Yes because it takes awhile for all the number one overall picks to develop. 

[m0nkey]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

Yes because it takes awhile for all the number one overall picks to develop. 

So the draft isn't a crapshoot?

[Stradling]

The number one overall pick is a much less of a crapshoot.  

[Junkballer]

58 minutes ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

Most of the good players were already here before Bill Stoneman  became  GM. You're an idiot.  Troy Gloss, Darin Erstad, tim salmon ,Bengie Molina,Garret Anderson ,

[m0nkey]

3 hours ago, Stradling said:

The number one overall pick is a much less of a crapshoot.  

#1 overall picks by the tampa bay franchise

1999- josh hamilton

2003- delmon young

2007- david price

2008- tim beckham

Only one of those amounted to anything relevant for the rays

[Angel Oracle]

Maddon is rock solid.

That said, it doesn't hurt having possibly two of the top 3 Cy Young balloting pitchers on the Cubs, in Hendricks and Lester.

Great pitching, solid defense, and solid hitting does give a team a good chance in October.

Maddon adds something though, with his approach.

[ABC]

I can't believe this thread made it past a few posts.

[mtangelsfan]

I can't believe anyone is responding to nebula or bob.

trolls cannot be fed.

[Blarg]

6 hours ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

Most of the good players were already here before Bill Stoneman  became  GM. You're an idiot.  Troy Gloss, Darin Erstad, tim salmon ,Bengie Molina,Garret Anderson ,

Glaus was gone after 2004 after only contributing 149 games since 2002 and the Angels continued to be successful. Salmon was gone by 2006. Erstad was never the player he was in 2001. All of the players you mentioned aged out or moved on and yet Stoneman found a way to keep feeding the club quality players from both the minor leagues and free agency.

But the fact remains no other GM took all of the pieces and assembled a World Series winner. No other GM maintained such a long period of continued success for the franchise. Those pieces were in place because Stoneman didn't pull the trigger on trades which would have busted up the team, he was steadfast against trading Edmonds and yet under duress still picked up a game changing player in Kennedy in trade.

If you actually knew even a small bit about the franchise and it's history over just being an angry asshole about Scioscia you might have some valuable input. But instead you are just an angry asshole. 

[ten ocho recon scout]

6 hours ago, m0nkey said:

So the draft isn't a crapshoot?

Under dipoto we drafted crap. 

[ABC]

Under dipoto we drafted crap, shoot.

 Like this

[Lou]

10 hours ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

In November, 2005, the then-Devil Rays had just finished their eighth straight season of at least 90 losses. Joe turned them around.

once again...

Tampa Bay's record:

2014 =   77-85 (Maddon's final year as manager)

2015 =   80-82

 

I noticed you skipped right over this:

Maddon: In his first 9 years managing in the majors, 0 World Series titles

Scioscia: He won a WS title in his 3rd year. 

 

[ABC]

trice again

[Blarg]

I feel like I just read a repetitious  infomercial script and all that was missing was "You must act now." 

[ten ocho recon scout]

16 minutes ago, Blarg said:

I feel like I just read a repetitious  infomercial script and all that was missing was "You must act now." 

BUT WAIT!

[nate]

Bill Stoneman was absolutely the reason the Angels were successful.

[nate]

On 10/24/2016 at 10:13 AM, RallyMo said:

Your lack of decent burger options must be affecting your memory and judgment.

Scioscia has always performed admirably with a decent roster.

Hell, even this year he generally exceeded what should be expected.

Maddon, on the other hand, notsomuchman: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/standings/

If Scioscia had managed the Cubs, they'd likely be in the same place they are now. Don't kid yourself.

He did perform admirably, right up until his big 3 assistants left.  Coincidence?

[Blarg]

23 minutes ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

My parents had season tickets since 1966. I'm sure that have been to more Angel games  then any person on this message board. I'm an Angel fan. I remember going to a lot of games with only 10,000 fans in attendance. Have a nice day. Jim Fregosi , Bobby Knopp, and Buck Rodgers lived around the corner from me.

What a coincidence,  Bob,  my first game to attend was at the brand new ballpark in 1966. I watched the revolving door of managers and General Managers and Stoneman was the only one to create a consistent product and Scioscia the only manager to maintain that. 

[Inside Pitch]

1 hour ago, nate said:

He did perform admirably, right up until his big 3 assistants left.  Coincidence?

Second time asking you this..   How is it that since getting two of those "assistants" back the Angels had their worst season of the Mike Scioscia era.    

[Angel Oracle]

2002-2009 was by far the best time so far for this franchise.

Admittedly, 2007-2009 was without both Black and Maddon.

As much as anything, we need both a return to the stable farm system of that decade and to responsible spending (but not  shying away from it while also making sure to refrain from Hackilton type signings).

[RallyMo]

4 hours ago, nate said:

He did perform admirably, right up until his big 3 assistants left.  Coincidence?

Yes.

[Docwaukee]

this thread has reminded me that I am supposed to be teaching my dog how to play chess.  

[Billy_Ball]

Anaheim Bob,  didn't the Angels go 82-80 in 2000, 75-87 in 2001, and 77-85 in 2003 while Scioscia,  Maddon and Black were on the staff?  Yes?  I await your response. ..

[Stradling]

I agree Bob.  I bet if Scioscia had Altuve and Trout he'd probably say Trout was better, what a df.  

[Tank]

8 hours ago, Dochalo said:

this thread has reminded me that I am supposed to be teaching my dog how to play chess.  

after i get done teaching my sea lion how to climb a tree, i'll come give you a hand.