Most Valuable Player American League

[tdawg87]

That's fine if that's your argument. But you originally stated it was because he wasn't leading the league in driving in runs or runs scored.

[Stradling]

We are acting like 2 year olds?  We gave you an answer as to why he is better, when you said he should have to lead the league in something.  You started with a ridiculous stance, we responded.  

[ScottT]

17 minutes ago, Stradling said:

In case you didn't figure it out I was joking. 

So was I.  Arte isnt hurting for money. 

[mulwin444]

Also, the teams we're playing are trying to win, you know, to get in the playoffs.  The games he plays in are still relevant 

[Ohtaniland]

If Trout was a Yankee he could make room in his trophy case right now. 

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, CALZONE said:

If Trout was a Yankee he could make room in his trophy case right now. 

For what? The golden buttplug ARod gifted the team when he retired?

[mulwin444]

Just now, tdawg87 said:

For what? The golden buttplug ARod gifted the team when he retired?

Yeah, the CDC confiscated that 

[Stradling]

If the Yankees were smart they would have brought up Sanchez two months earlier and they'd be in the playoffs. 

[kevinb]

3 hours ago, Stradling said:

We are acting like 2 year olds?  We gave you an answer as to why he is better, when you said he should have to lead the league in something.  You started with a ridiculous stance, we responded.  

I said if he is on a last place team he should be leading the league head and shoulders in something like those categories he isn't. if your one last place team show me something I've never seen before in a category I know not some random war stat. If he was on a better team he'd put up better run scoring and rbi numbers but he's not. He's amazing. On a last place team he shouldn't win mvp. And yes the games are relevant to other teams just not the Angels. When the Angels are in last place the only relevance there is to Angels fans or players will be how much time left till they can go on vacation. 

[fan_since79]

19 hours ago, Stradling said:

Ruined his career?  I'd like to put this up for worst post of the year.  

Well, maybe he'll put up Ruthian numbers when the Yankees sign him in a few years.

 

[ScottT]

Trout has clearly been the most valuable player in the American League. 

• WAR - 1st
• WRC+ - 1st
• wOBA - 1st
• WPA - 1st
• WPA/LI - 1st
• RE24 - 1st
• REW - 1st
• Offensive Win % - 1st
• Adj Batting Runs - 1st
• Adj Batting Wins - 1st
• OBP - 1st
• Times On Base - 1st
• RC - 1st
• RC27 - 1st
• Adjusted OPS+ - 1st
• BB - 1st
• BA - 3rd
• SLG - 2nd

[Stradling]

Best must not mean most valuable.  

[stormngt]

5 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Best must not mean most valuable.  

Best does not necessarily mean most valuable.

 

Fixed

[Troll Daddy]

Trout has been on a terror lately. 

[Docwaukee]

4 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Best must not mean most valuable.  

you're not as valuable when the rest of the team isn't good enough to help you win games.  This can only be understood by Nietzsche, Steven Hawking, Einstein, Jesus and members of the BBWA

[Stradling]

It isn't that the MVP award is useless or tainted, we should just value other awards more, for example the Hank Aaron Award.  

[Dick B Back]

How do people keep posting this wishful thinking...

Both Trumbo and and Napoli have more RBIs than Mikey and they play on winning teams.

[Stradling]

What is crazy is according to BR, Cron has a higher WAR than Napoli or Trumbo this year.  Fangraphs has it Trumbo, Cron then Napoli, but the difference is negligible. 

[Stradling]

31 minutes ago, ScottT said:

Trout has clearly been the most valuable player in the American League. 

• WAR - 1st
• WRC+ - 1st
• wOBA - 1st
• WPA - 1st
• WPA/LI - 1st
• RE24 - 1st
• REW - 1st
• Offensive Win % - 1st
• Adj Batting Runs - 1st
• Adj Batting Wins - 1st
• OBP - 1st
• Times On Base - 1st
• RC - 1st
• RC27 - 1st
• Adjusted OPS+ - 1st
• BB - 1st
• BA - 3rd
• SLG - 2nd

@Kevinb

do these stats count in reference to your question about other than WAR what does he lead the league in?  

[Taylor]

33 minutes ago, ScottT said:

Trout has clearly been the most valuable player in the American League. 

• WAR - 1st
• WRC+ - 1st
• wOBA - 1st
• WPA - 1st
• WPA/LI - 1st
• RE24 - 1st
• REW - 1st
• Offensive Win % - 1st
• Adj Batting Runs - 1st
• Adj Batting Wins - 1st
• OBP - 1st
• Times On Base - 1st
• RC - 1st
• RC27 - 1st
• Adjusted OPS+ - 1st
• BB - 1st
• BA - 3rd
• SLG - 2nd

But other than these random stats, how has he shown that he is the best player in baseball?

[Dick B Back]

Just now, Taylor said:

But other than these random stats, how has he shown that he is the best player in baseball?

No, other than those stats, how has he made his team post season worthy?

[Taylor]

1 minute ago, Dick B Back said:

No, other than those stats, how has he made his team post season worthy?

Nothing that I can find. A truly valuable player would be able to influence the hitters before him to get on base more, so that he could drive in more runs and lead the league in the almighty RBI, rather than padding useless stats like WAR and OBP.

[wopphil]

The last month, Trout has been better than any month stretch of his career. If he keeps it up, he will win the MVP, regardless of the standings.

[Dick B Back]

1 hour ago, Taylor said:

Nothing that I can find. A truly valuable player would be able to influence the hitters before him to get on base more, so that he could drive in more runs and lead the league in the almighty RBI, rather than padding useless stats like WAR and OBP.

I agree

[AngelsLakersFan]

1 hour ago, Dochalo said:

you're not as valuable when the rest of the team isn't good enough to help you win games.  This can only be understood by Nietzsche, Steven Hawking, Einstein, Jesus and members of the BBWA

There is actually truth to this statement, and it is the reason I put SOME stock into the team context. Trout leads the league in times on base, therefore he is more valuable on a team that can drive in guys on base. Trout is one of the best run producers in the game, therefore he is more valuable on a team with guys on base in front of him. This is the same argument that could be used to say that Andrelton Simmons is more valuable on a team with a pitching staff that gives up a lot of ground balls.